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11526.jpg "Richard Agar, get out of my club!!!"
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| Quote: Robbo4 "Totally disagree. I thought Lee looked good at Hooker on Sunday and Houghton has been poor so far this year. Most of the players on Sunday quite simply didn't turn up, Is Agar meant to drop all of them? I'm not his biggest fan but the players need to start taking some responsibility. Our tactics haven't been hugely different in all the games so far this season its been the application of the players and the effort levels that have seen us have poor performances. Not that I think our tactics are great or anything but they can work if everyone is giving 100%'"
We will have to agree to disagree about Lee's performance on Sunday tbh.
With regards to dropping everyone, obviously he can't do that. But he can't just keep the same team. The back row looks really poor at the moment, and I really do think King currently adds nothing to the side. We also look very poor in the halves. Players can be dropped from the back row, and so can King. It's obviously harder to drop either Horne or Thorman. I wouldn't drop Horne at all, but I would be considering dropping Thorman if I was coach. The fact it's such a big game, in fact such a big long weekend shouldn't deter from the idea that big decisions need to be made regarding the team because we can't continue as we are
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| Quote: The Key "Folkes sounds like he would be good. It doesn't matter if he uses a forwards game too. In fact its probably better that way. The problem is we aren't doing it well at all at the moment, not the fact we are playing that way.'"
Well, that, plus the fact that we don't (currently) have the players to play that style of rugby.
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11526.jpg "Richard Agar, get out of my club!!!"
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| Quote: Kosh "Well, that, plus the fact that we don't (currently) have the players to play that style of rugby.'"
While we haven't got the best pack imo, with the right tactics a forward style game could be implemented. It needs a good coach to make it work with the current pack though.
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| The board made the mistake of giving Agar a long term contract he should have been given a year to prove himself.
Now we have no other choice but to stick with Agar as I doubt the club has the money to pay him off.
IMO we should have gone for Millward, I like the way he gets his team to play and he has has the ability to attract the top players from the NRL. Ok he didnt have much success as Wigan, but who has recently?
Saying all that Agar needs to be given until the end of the season IMO, he needs to make sure that he brings in a top class Fullback and scrumhalf.
With the team we have I always expected our season to be like this, I just wish we would our brains more and try and play some rugby.
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44592_1267285924.jpg With typical under-statement, Saints coach Mick Potter said: "Sean Long didn't surprise me. We all know how good he is and he should be happy with the way he went." That could be translated as, "damn him, damn, damn him, the little ...":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44592.jpg |
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| Quote: Dave K. "The board made the mistake of giving Agar a long term contract he should have been given a year to prove himself.
Now we have no other choice but to stick with Agar as I doubt the club has the money to pay him off.
IMO we should have gone for Millward, I like the way he gets his team to play and he has has the ability to attract the top players from the NRL. Ok he didnt have much success as Wigan, but who has recently?
Saying all that Agar needs to be given until the end of the season IMO, he needs to make sure that he brings in a top class Fullback and scrumhalf.
With the team we have I always expected our season to be like this, I just wish we would our brains more and try and play some rugby.'"
Shouldnt we be throwing the towel in with Crockergate then and also saying thanks but no thanks to Effy so we are able to throw money at a world class scrum half as we will need to pay a transfer fee also ?!?!
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| Quote: MR BOJANGLES "
Shouldnt we be throwing the towel in with Crockergate then and also saying thanks but no thanks to Effy so we are able to throw money at a world class scrum half as we will need to pay a transfer fee also ?!?!'"
But there isnt one available at the moment.
I would use the salary cap and quota place for a new Fullback and SH to replace Tony, Cusack, Bryne and Thorman.
And have Effy and Crocker in our pack.
New FB
Calderwood.
Briscoe/Hall
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
New SH.
Dowes.
Berrigan
King
Crocker
Tickle
Washbrook
Manu
Effy
Thacks
Whiting.
Would be the team I would like to see next year.
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6505_1460484023.jpg [i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
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| Quote: Dave K. "But there isnt one available at the moment.'"
Not to mention the fact that both Crocker and Lauaki have contracts that would need terminating/paying off.
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44592_1267285924.jpg With typical under-statement, Saints coach Mick Potter said: "Sean Long didn't surprise me. We all know how good he is and he should be happy with the way he went." That could be translated as, "damn him, damn, damn him, the little ...":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44592.jpg |
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| Quote: Kosh "Not to mention the fact that both Crocker and Lauaki have contracts that would need terminating/paying off.'"
Sat near to JR and TS the other day at the game and asked them about Crocks and its a simple case of, No visa-No contract.
Also both these two are not getting paid by the club at this time.
When the arrive with a visa, the contract starts and they then can get paid !
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11526.jpg "Richard Agar, get out of my club!!!"
If only Barbara Windsor was our chairperson...:11526.jpg |
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| Quote: Dave K. "But there isnt one available at the moment.
I would use the salary cap and quota place for a new Fullback and SH to replace Tony, Cusack, Bryne and Thorman.
And have Effy and Crocker in our pack.
New FB
Calderwood.
Briscoe/Hall
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
New SH.
Dowes.
Berrigan
King
Crocker
Tickle
Washbrook
Manu
Effy
Thacks
Whiting.
Would be the team I would like to see next year.'"
King and Thackray wouldn't be in my 17 for next year if I was in charge. Thacks has been better than King and while I think the latter is a poor player, the former isn't exactly tearing trees up. I also think if we can get Tony signed up then it would be great. He is a very good player for us there, and that isn't a problem position. I agree about a new 7 though, we desperately need one. I still think we need a centre as well. Not a long term one but someone in the Domic/Barnett role, in temrs of experience and age (Bell would have been very good for us, despite him not exactly looking stunning for Catalans atm. I would even be tempted by a new 13 (a ball handling one) as I'm not too sure of Washbrook nowadays and feel we really lack a player of that description. We have always looked best in the past when J.Smith, Lupton or Cooke played at 13
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14059_1449048926.jpg All existing and generally known ways to immortality can be divided into four catagories.
The way of the Fakir.
The way of the Monk.
The way of the Yogi.
The most honourable being 'The way of the FC'
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| Quote: The Key "King and Thackray wouldn't be in my 17 for next year if I was in charge. Thacks has been better than King and while I think the latter is a poor player, the former isn't exactly tearing trees up. I also think if we can get Tony signed up then it would be great. He is a very good player for us there, and that isn't a problem position. I agree about a new 7 though, we desperately need one. I still think we need a centre as well. Not a long term one but someone in the Domic/Barnett role, in temrs of experience and age (Bell would have been very good for us, despite him not exactly looking stunning for Catalans atm. I would even be tempted by a new 13 (a ball handling one) as I'm not too sure of Washbrook nowadays and feel we really lack a player of that description. We have always looked best in the past when J.Smith, Lupton or Cooke played at 13'"
New FB
New centre
I'd keep Radford in place of King at prop.
Preston Campbell (Titans)
Whiting at 13
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6505_1460484023.jpg [i:10za56ci]Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm
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| Quote: MR BOJANGLES "Sat near to JR and TS the other day at the game and asked them about Crocks and its a simple case of, No visa-No contract.
Also both these two are not getting paid by the club at this time.
When the arrive with a visa, the contract starts and they then can get paid !'"
Indeed. However, if we were to pull the plug and a visa then arrived, we would effectively be in breach.
The agreements signed will not have included a clause that says 'if we get bored waiting for your visa to come through we can get rid'.
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44592_1267285924.jpg With typical under-statement, Saints coach Mick Potter said: "Sean Long didn't surprise me. We all know how good he is and he should be happy with the way he went." That could be translated as, "damn him, damn, damn him, the little ...":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44592.jpg |
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| Quote: Kosh "Indeed. However, if we were to pull the plug and a visa then arrived, we would effectively be in breach.
The agreements signed will not have included a clause that says 'if we get bored waiting for your visa to come through we can get rid'.'"
At the moment we have only offered them a contract of employment with a clause being they must obtain a visa before the contract can be signed. We can at any time retract that offer of employment as no contract has been signed because they dont have a visa.
We cant be in breach of a contract as one hasnt been signed.
Also other clubs have spoken to Crocker with a view to his plan B. Clubs would strictly not be able to do this if he was under contract.
To get back to the point though If we need the cash for a quality no 7 we will probably need some of the the cash which is to be spent on these two to lure one to our club !
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| Top Scrum half needed.
New Centre.
New Full back.
Crocker and Lauaki.
That may do the trick.
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| Quote: HFC Boy "Top Scrum half needed.
New Centre.
New Full back.
Crocker and Lauaki.
That may do the trick.'"
New coaching staff. Fresh ideas needed, too much one man, up the middle boring rugby.
World class SH.
Top centre
Radford not to get played at lock.
Mark O'Meley - Subject to a visa
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| please,not preston campbell,watched him at the weekend and is pretty much the same as what we have got.
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