Possibly not but to lay the blame purely at Miller's feet is taking simplicity to extremes.

But simple seems to suit Seb well

Read my post im saying that we will be a better team with Horne playing and not Miller and the facts say im right but don't let that stop you being the little sheepy that you are with your Seb bashing



Regards Miller I wont mince my words, I think hes , he was last year, he has been this year and there is no evidence to say that hes ever going to take the massive leap and become even decent. You can probably count the number of good things hes done in an FC shirt on two hands. The quicker we get rid the better

Which means jack e as the performance of the forwards has more of an influence on the game than the halves by themselves. Not to mention whom the opposiation were and how crap the coach has been with selections/tactics.
So on the bare facts above we have
Rankin with 5 wins, Miller with 4 wins and Horne with 4 wins, not so clear cut eh?

Dont shoot the messenger.I was only replying to Jakes question

apologies, thought you were making a point about Millers performances (or lack thereof from certain posters POV!)

Disagree with you. It was the forwards that laid the platform by smashing Widnes to bits. Even Miller would of had a field day in that match.

Saints have been beaten heavily more than us this season yet sit top of the league it's such small margins ,I believe we are on the right track nxt seasons recruitment is so vital, get it right and we can be top 4 get it wrong again and we struggle along as we have for a number of years now

The opposite is also true that unless the halves are performing then the forwards are unlikely to be able to get on top. Decent organisation and kicking game goes a long way to helping the forwards get on top

Forwards were on top vs london and miller got brought off and azza a hooker used at 7. Says a lot that

Just seen the tries on the SL show. Support play looked good and plenty of players hitting holes. horne looked like he was well involved

BBC Mersey had him as man of the match!

It's down on record forever Widnes have won the World Club Challenge. It's also down on record Hull FC have NEVER won it.

We've also won at Wembley many times. By contrast, Hull FC have NEVER been victorious at the national stadium.