It doesn't matter at all and I find it absolutely amazing people believe he should be dropped, yet some of these people think it is alright to develop Russell who is a Wigan player

Maybe as a club we should stop any dual regulations as we could not possibly want other teams contributing to the development of young players.

Let us hope Arundel is dropped at Cas 'eh since he is signing for us

This is mainly down to a better structure on our right hand side that Gentle has brought in.

There is no doubt that he has improved this year, but not as much as some claim on here, I have seen words like Exceptional, will be an England international and top 3 centre in SL being thrown about, which is going a bit over the top IMO.

Also there is no way in the world that martin is currently better than Turner, Martin is a very average player, who should now be our 4th centre.

Using what measure is Martin better than Turner?

Spot on IMO. Although I might have Martin as third based purely on not wanting to rush Crooks.

Totally agree.

Just to clear up, The last time i had checked, Joe Arundel hadn't signed his contract with you. There were rumours suggesting it was all a done deal etc, And thats why some of the spiteful Cas fans turned and seemed not bothered.

He is a mate, And as a mate i have advised him to come to you, There is potential there, Much more personally for him, Than at Cas. The offer you have made is better than the Cas one (Which he was happy with btw), But you can offer him more in long term security and opportunities to play in the big games, And that will probably win him over

The rumour for this has been out a while, Michael Shenton is apparently returning to Cas, So St Helen's still have a gap to fill.

As for Turner, As someone said, 90 miles a day to training and for matches, Really isn't ideal and the move he is making is a sensible one.

And, Whilever both he and Manu are playing to their full potential, You play them. Who cares about what they do next season, Surely your sole focus is achieving this year, Not been spiteful.

Quite right as well.

I like outside backs who are quick enough to go the length of the field. For centres I also like them to have ball handling skills in particular being able to give their winger the best possible chance with accurate and well timed ball. This is why whilst recognising the input Yeaman has had to the team I've always felt he lacks in certain areas to be judged as a great centre. Turner has shown this season that he can do both of these things against opposing centres who have been selected for international squads. Does this make him a potential international or even a great centre ? No it doesn't but he is young and British and there are not too many around of that type that can do it. Defensively he looks far better within the improved structures in place under Gentle. He also has the physical attributes required to play top level.

So I think this is a pretty big loss to the squad. It wont bring the club to its knees of course but we obviously wanted to keep him and Saints obviously think he's good enough to play in their team. Can't blame him for going at all if he wants to move location. I haven't really seen enough of Arundel to know whether IF he signs he can do a similar or better job. If he does sign then here's hoping he can otherwise we will be weaker in the centre position next season.

I agree with much of what you have said here. However I like my outside backs to score trys first and foremost, that's were Yeaman excels. I know he has his shortcomings but he's a tryscorer just like Briscoe, they have a knack of being able to get over the line when it matters. Pace and great hands are all well and good but they count for nothing if you can't score. Yeaman is still our no1 centre for me and until we sign better will remain so.

Probably worth mentioning that Hall had a better scoring record than Yeamo while he was here. Think Turner might have a better strike rate also.