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Quote: Dave K. "His 2nd season (2015) wasn't that bad, had a lot of injuries and played a lot of young kids in the 8's and put in some good performances, showed signs for things to come and kicked on from there in 2016

Another good season positives for me

Super 8's performance
Winning the cup
Young players coming through and looking the part
Our attacking play, improved on 2016.
Coping with big game players missing, particularly Ellis and Houghton

Two big areas of improvement

Home form
Stop blow away scores.

Solid recruitment for 2018, looking forward to it again.'"


Agree on the areas of improvement, we need to make the KCOM a fortress again. Also need to grow crowds as we seem to have hit a plateau of 10k and it's not obvious why more aren't turning out (maybe worth the club spending some money on market research) getting another 1 or 2k in would really help the atmosphere.

Blow out scores are a bit of a mystery as you can put some down to under estimating the opposition like Leigh at home. But we also didnt turn up for big games like Saints at the Magic Weekend. We need to find a level where we get the win but not go all out and be tired for the week after. It still feels a bit 'all or nothing' with the performances most of the time.

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Quote: UllFC "Agree on the areas of improvement, we need to make the KCOM a fortress again. Also need to grow crowds as we seem to have hit a plateau of 10k and it's not obvious why more aren't turning out (maybe worth the club spending some money on market research) getting another 1 or 2k in would really help the atmosphere.

Blow out scores are a bit of a mystery as you can put some down to under estimating the opposition like Leigh at home. But we also didnt turn up for big games like Saints at the Magic Weekend. We need to find a level where we get the win but not go all out and be tired for the week after. It still feels a bit 'all or nothing' with the performances most of the time.'"

Our home form has been worse than our away form for the last 2 years. If it were consistently better I'm sure the crowds would improve

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Quote: al283 "Really disappointed - 2 years running we have come up just short.

Fonua immense last night, how many carries & metres made ?? Replacing that will be nigh on impossible.

Major positives - absolute commitment from the squad, fitness & conditioning - Leeds were blowing well before us. Couldn't believe Cuthbertson forced that drop out with a kick on about the 27th offload last tackle !! BUT I think they outskilled us in their offloads & all round handling, our defence was mainly exceptional but needed to be.

Next year will be tougher with Wire, Wigan & Saints likely to be stronger, maybe Hudds. too, not to mention Salford & Cats ( if they survive today ).

Agree massive overall improvement in the club - 4 years ago the last two years would have been a fantasy. IF we are to step up I think it is attack that needs the focus, whether that is some assistance in the coaching for Radders or adding creativity & pace in the squad or both.

Still massive congratulations to AP, Radders all the back room staff & the players for two great years'"


We will miss Fonua for sure but he does miss tackles and last night came up with five errors.
Not sure that will be good enough for success in the NRL so i wouldnt be surprised to see him back in two or three years.
Our fitness and effort on the field is second to none but you are correct our attack particularly in the opposition 20 needs attention as we rely almost entirely on a sneyd kick on the last tackle.
We attack too deep with players passing the ball backwards sometimes as much as five or six metres which is easy for the opposition to defend.
If you watch the Catleford/Saints game then our match last night this is really highlighted and makes the Castleford attack look slick and our attack slow.
Im sure Radford can see this but it does need attention.
Still gutted from last night as i dont think we will get a better chance of a Grand Final victory than this season with Ellis in the team.
Had no doubt we would have beaten Castleford in the final

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Quote: bonaire "We will miss Fonua for sure but he does miss tackles and last night came up with five errors.
Not sure that will be good enough for success in the NRL so i wouldnt be surprised to see him back in two or three years.
Our fitness and effort on the field is second to none but you are correct our attack particularly in the opposition 20 needs attention as we rely almost entirely on a sneyd kick on the last tackle.
We attack too deep with players passing the ball backwards sometimes as much as five or six metres which is easy for the opposition to defend.
If you watch the Catleford/Saints game then our match last night this is really highlighted and makes the Castleford attack look slick and our attack slow.
Im sure Radford can see this but it does need attention.
Still gutted from last night as i dont think we will get a better chance of a Grand Final victory than this season with Ellis in the team.
Had no doubt we would have beaten Castleford in the final'"

Good summary. I'm not as certain as you that we would have won, but Ellis has been such a talismanic influence for us we'd have had a great shout. Our creativity does need to improve - we've scored some great tries this year but as you say mainly from kicks or individual play from Shaul or Kelly but not enough of them. One of the big positives for me is that our pack generally is strong and despite the loss of Ellis we have Paea coming in, Hadley returning, Fash as a geniune SL player and our current 4 props all approaching what should be their peak years.

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For me there is one little change we have to make that would make our attack 10 times more dangerous.

Get Shaul to be 4 or 5 yards further forward when we spread the ball along the line.

He is always stood far too deep any gaps in the defence are easily closed before he gets there. This means moves come to a sudden halt and he ends up running backwards to look for gaps.

Top defences can handle this easily.

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Hull are not far far reaching or winning a GG for me. The key thing I think not reaching Wembley next year. It's great to win the CC but bloody hard to back up and go for the GF. Either this year or last you I think you could've gotten to the GF if not for Wembley:

As much as Hull talked about focusing on the GF this year it was clear you still put a lot into the cup games.

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All in all after the disappointment of last nights result as we were so close and feels it was a missed opportunity I still think the season has been a good one. It's shows how far we've come under the ownership of Adam Pearson when we as fans feel a little disappointment.
As others have said we need to improve our attacking plays as we are too predictable at times and rely on our defence to get us out of jail at times. We need to improve our discipline as we invite teams by giving them easy yards from poor mistakes and penalties. Support play and dummy runners is something else we lack along with consistency.
One of the areas I think really needs work on which would benefit us greatly in attack is not going 20-25 metres deep from the ptb. As more often than not we make little ground by doing so as we give the opposition too much time to get the defence in place which nullifies any threat. As has been said look at Cas, Sts and even Leeds they run a much flatter line but all move up at pace as a unit which makes it much harder to defend against due to less time and space to react.
All in all not massive issues but more fine tuning and building on what has brought success so far. I think the appointment of an attacking coach will be a useful acquisition for Radders and the team

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Quote: PrinterThe "Hull are not far far reaching or winning a GG for me. The key thing I think not reaching Wembley next year. It's great to win the CC but bloody hard to back up and go for the GF. Either this year or last you I think you could've gotten to the GF if not for Wembley

The problem as such is that if you sack off the cup, which is a more realistic target requiring 4 wins, you put all your eggs in a basket months away. You could deliberately put less into the cup and have loads of injuries in September scuppering either chance of silverware. It's probably been exacerbated for Hull in that last year our cup run was all the other 4 of the top 5 and this year included Cas, Wigan and Leeds so highly draining (in fact, apparently, we've only faced non top tier opposition twice in 6 years in the cup), but the principle remains.

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Challenge Cup still major target, our trophy to defend next year AGAIN so fully expect 100% effort.

Were unlucky this year with fixtures around it, Leeds on Thursday an absolute joke. Had we beaten them prior to Wembley & had a winnable game more than 5 days after Wembley then second could still have been on.

If's & But's what keeps the game exciting though !!

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Just woke this morning from an awful nightmare. There I was, sat in the Skyrack, Friaday at 16-30, enjoying my second pint of Green King IPA, when we were approached by Calendar News team. Gave an interview for the 18-00 news programme and said we’d stay in touch till half time and smash them in the second. Just rang our kid, he said it really happened, yep that numpty was me!!!!!
I really thought it would be a repeat of the CC Semi. This season has been another great journey, if FC can get performances on field to consistently high standard, which to me, has to be the next step, we can become the force every fan wants them to become. As for questioning Radford’s tenure in the early stages, most fans were peed off up to halftime at Craven Park and were probably off on one but the boys turned it round and the rest as they say is history. Try to enjoy the off season and an amnesty with a certain poster, Tony really is a nice bloke and a genuine supporter.
Hope Cas smash String o Beads next Saturday, would loved it to be us there but heyho

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Quote: Mrs Barista "The problem as such is that if you sack off the cup, which is a more realistic target requiring 4 wins, you put all your eggs in a basket months away. You could deliberately put less into the cup and have loads of injuries in September scuppering either chance of silverware. It's probably been exacerbated for Hull in that last year our cup run was all the other 4 of the top 5 and this year included Cas, Wigan and Leeds so highly draining (in fact, apparently, we've only faced non top tier opposition twice in 6 years in the cup), but the principle remains.'"

I don't agree, having to win 4 games without slip up, no second chances is harder than getting through to the play-offs and having to win only 2 games.. You can afford to lose, you can have injuries through the season or go off the boil and still make the play-offs, we proved that this season, we've being gash in parts, we lost TWELVE games out of 30 and still made the play-offs. It's then only a 2 game knockout comp. We played the top teams both last season and this to win the CC so it's no different to playing the 2 games in the play-offs to win the GF except you have to beat potentially 4 top SL teams to win the CC. IMHO winning the CC is harder if you get a really difficult draw than winning 2 games at the end of the play-offs.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I don't agree, having to win 4 games without slip up, no second chances is harder than getting through to the play-offs and having to win only 2 games.. You can afford to lose, you can have injuries through the season or go off the boil and still make the play-offs, we proved that this season, we've being gash in parts, we lost TWELVE games out of 30 and still made the play-offs. It's then only a 2 game knockout comp. We played the top teams both last season and this to win the CC so it's no different to playing the 2 games in the play-offs to win the GF except you have to beat potentially 4 top SL teams to win the CC. IMHO winning the CC is harder if you get a really difficult draw than winning 2 games at the end of the play-offs.'"

To win the Grand Final you need to win at least 18 games.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "The fault is with Barista, deliberately posting in direct conflict to the AUP.'"

Pray tell, what part of the AUP does Mrs B break when she is negative during a game?

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Quote: Karen "Pray tell, what part of the AUP does Mrs B break when she is negative during a game?'"

You yourself and others admitted that she posted the same thing to bait posters and to elicit comment, that's the definition of trolling.
HTH

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "You yourself and others admitted that she posted the same thing to bait posters and to elicit comment, that's the definition of trolling.
HTH'"

Not at all. If you, and only you, wishes to take umbrage at Mrs B's negative posts during the game, then that is your issue. No one else does because they see them for exactly what they are and that's a defence mechanism when stressed. You have been told this many times yet still insist on making something out of it every blooming week. That is not against the AUP. Some of the abuse you receive because if it is and I try to deal with that, but in the same way I have told my kids when bickering, if you don't like something, ignore it. You're an adult, act like it.

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