I don't buy that we lost because of poor discipline today. Yes most of their tries were off the backs of penalties but the first three times our defence was tested it buckled each time. If they had been getting repeat set after repeat set on our line then I could accept the discipline argument but they generally only needed one set in our 20 to get over the line.

Was a combination of poor discipline and poor defence, but the penalties turned the game around into their hands.
Once they had the momentum we persisted in giving the ball away and got punished.

We'll probably go and tonk Leeds now, and make my spleen venting irrelevant!.

Poor recruitment by Agar is the off season.

Should have signed another prop to replace Dowes, Hargreaves or Emmitt.

Needed a halfback, Orr, Briggs.

Am happy with the Westerman signing despite his poor game yesterday, but play the kid in his correct position FFS and not off the bench.

Rest players when they are tired, thought Fitz has a good game, but he got tired and gave away a couple of penalties that led (plus poor defence) to a try.

I still can't believe that they gave Agar a 2 year deal, one I could have handled.

Same people with the same excuses as every season, one day people will wake up I guess

Apart from expro and a couple of others i think we are awake to the situation at the club, we need to board to wake up and make a brave move that will take the club up to the next level.

With Agar in charge we are always going to be a nearly team around 6th-8th place, maybe making it to the semi's of the cup, but not really challenging for trophies, a bit like Warrington under Cullan.

Something needs to change, if the club did get rid I would put a lot of money of James Webster beng moved up.

I'd have agreed with you right up until we showed the same lack of discipline and poor defence that we showed for the larger part of last season. These were major, glaring faults and he's spectacularly failed to address them in the closed season.

He's had plenty of time to show what he's capable of as a head coach. He has far too many shortcomings IMO to ever be the standard we need.

Indeed, also bear in mind that we highlighted the issue in the two friendly games and nothing has changed.

It's not agar's fault. He should never have been given the job in the first place.

I agree, if it were my choice he would not have been given a two year deal last season. I would have brought Noble in before he went to Wales, I would still have Noble now. Agar did a decent job last year so for me he has bough himself some time this season. I won't be condemning him after yesterday's game, there some good signs but unusally our defence was really poor and we crumbled under pressure.

Thought Moa was very good in the time he was on the pitch and O'Meley was the normal handful.

I was not really that worried at been 14-0 down, you could see that your team was putting in a huge effort and it was only a matter of time before you tired. Plus I think you used up both your set piece moves for your tries and cant remember seeing another for the rest of the game

Oh and what side step from Radford!

I really try to be positive in my outlook on most things Hull FC and after the first 20 mins we looked like we could rack up a cricket score. However, the thing that jumps out when things started to go wrong was the complete lack of ability to deal with what was happening on the pitch by the coaching staff. There was a moment in the second half when KR had scored to effectively put the game to bed and the camera pans to Rich Agar and if I have ever seen such a lost not sure what to do look on a professional sports coach I would like to see it.

It then gets worse when you listen to the after match interview. You can clearly tell Rich Agar is not happy with individual efforts defending in our own 20, fair enough but the comment that follows about KR having well organised and set plays in the opposition 20 that hurt us had me wanting to throw something at the radio. IF THEY ARE THAT WELL ORGANISED AND WELL RUN SET PLAYS, WORK ON COMBATING THEM IN THE WORK YOU DO RUNNING UP TO THE GAME.

I fully accept the game changed on three daft penalties given away and once the momentum changed there was only one team going to win the game. What worries me is if KR had gone into a 14 point lead would anybody realistically see FC winning that game yesterday, I don’t.

I see no change in the mistakes we all complained about last year and have little faith in these things improving in the coming weeks. The league will so tight this year the difference between finishing 4th and 9th will come down to how you change the momentum in games you are losing and at the moment I believe this is one of the weakest parts of our coaching set up. For that reason I am so much more pessimistic about this year than I was a weak ago. Yes it’s the first game of the season but when little has changed since last season I can see this being a long hard year.