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| Quote: carl_spackler "It does just come down to McKinnon. Hopefully he'll stay fit most of the season (although I can't say I'm confident). Jack Briscoe has been on the books a while now though, it's about time we either saw what he can do or let him go, really.'"
Jack didn't play much FB last year, he was shoved out to develop as a Winger, as that's where Agar saw him playing long term.
We don't have any cover for FB. Given we now have extra cap space and a quota spot, that we're considering signing Youngquest is strange as we could have just kept Phelps, who would have given us great code at FB and across the backs.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "Jack didn't play much FB last year, he was shoved out to develop as a Winger, as that's where Agar saw him playing long term.
We don't have any cover for FB. Given we now have extra cap space and a quota spot, that we're considering signing Youngquest is strange as we could have just kept Phelps, who would have given us great code at FB and across the backs.'"
Didn't he play Lyne and Matthews there?
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| Quote: carl_spackler "It does just come down to McKinnon. Hopefully he'll stay fit most of the season (although I can't say I'm confident). Jack Briscoe has been on the books a while now though, it's about time we either saw what he can do or let him go, really.'"
In his last year of a deal I think, make or break.
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| Quote: Marfa Manu "www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player?hs1
Very similar indeed, but how would each player cope with the extra workload that comes from defending the middle channel? Who is more likely to give us 35-40 tackles a game? IMO if you ask Westerman to do that much work you'd take too much out of him to be effective in attack. That's why I'd choose Tickle. Those missed tackles are a concern, mind.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Didn't he play Lyne and Matthews there?'"
Yeah, Lynne really ripped it up on occasions aswell.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Only 1 way to find out for sure.'"
There is indeed, I can't help thinking he'll play there against Salford and blow them away but be poor against the top sides.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "Very similar indeed, but how would each player cope with the extra workload that comes from defending the middle channel? Who is more likely to give us 35-40 tackles a game? IMO if you ask Westerman to do that much work you'd take too much out of him to be effective in attack. That's why I'd choose Tickle. Those missed tackles are a concern, mind.'"
I'd have a guess that the majority of Tickles missed tackles were in the latter minutes of the halfs.
With good enough back row rotation that shouldn't be a problem.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "Very similar indeed, but how would each player cope with the extra workload that comes from defending the middle channel? Who is more likely to give us 35-40 tackles a game? IMO if you ask Westerman to do that much work you'd take too much out of him to be effective in attack. That's why I'd choose Tickle. Those missed tackles are a concern, mind.'"
You claimed he is not as good defensively as Tickle...his stats state he is, he works up the middle just about now, he is not stuck out defending the wings so I doubt being in the middle more would affect his work-rate. Tickle does not give us 35-40 tackles a game! he only did that all season,about approx 2 more a game.
You could look at it the other way, who is more likely to make a clean break or produce a good kick in play to open the play up.
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| Quote: Sheldon "I'd have a guess that the majority of Tickles missed tackles were in the latter minutes of the halfs.
With good enough back row rotation that shouldn't be a problem.'"
You're probably right, plus I can remember at least a dozen times he's tried to put a shot on someone and missed.
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| Quote: Marfa Manu "You claimed he is not as good defensively as Tickle...his stats state he is, he works up the middle just about now, he is not stuck out defending the wings so I doubt being in the middle more would affect his work-rate. Tickle does not give us 35-40 tackles a game! he only did that all season,about approx 2 more a game.
You could look at it the other way, who is more likely to make a clean break or produce a good kick in play to open the play up.'"
At no point in this thread have I claimed Tickle is a better defender.
And I can't agree that defending at 2nd row is 'just about' through the middle where a 13 would defend.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "At no point in this thread have I claimed Tickle is a better defender.
And I can't agree that defending at 2nd row is 'just about' through the middle where a 13 would defend.'"
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You have clearly stated you wish to see Tickle at 13....Sheldon asked is Westy good enough to defend at 13, you then said no neither is Whiting, yet Westy is just as good at defending as Tickle!! You are clearly clutching at straws here
Danny Houghton does not do too bad up the middle for a small bloke does he ?
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "At no point in this thread have I claimed Tickle is a better defender.
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You said that teams would 'blow us away' with Westerman or Whiting at 13, but not with Tickle there. That strongly implies that you consider Tickle the better defender.
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| Quote: Rock God X "You said that teams would 'blow us away' with Westerman or Whiting at 13, but not with Tickle there. That strongly implies that you consider Tickle the better defender.'"
He's changed his mind....thought I was the only one who did that
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| Quote: Marfa Manu "'eh
You have clearly stated you wish to see Tickle at 13....Sheldon asked is Westy good enough to defend at 13, you then said no neither is Whiting, yet Westy is just as good at defending as Tickle!! You are clearly clutching at straws here
Right, I really don't want this to get into a squabble again. So here goes.
What have I just said about players adapting to defending through the middle? I think Tickle would be better than Westerman. You've compared them as 2nd rowers, where they're pretty much each others equal. You also think defending at 2nd row is the same as defending at 13, I find that nonsense tbh. So you seem to be quite happy to state that Westy will be just as good on that basis, I don't think its comparable.
As for size? Who said that has anything to do with it?
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| Quote: Rock God X "You said that teams would 'blow us away' with Westerman or Whiting at 13, but not with Tickle there. That strongly implies that you consider Tickle the better defender.'"
At 13 I do think Tickle would be the better defender, now that's not the same as defending in the 2nd row is it? Where the woman is comparing them.
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