Whilst I'm more of a similar opinion to you on Horne, I really don't think it's sound ground to use selection by McBanana as evidence of a player's quality, be it just for an objective comparison or not.

EDIT, just realised Smith also picked him at 6, as you were.

It stands to reason his stats are not too shaby he is being asked by Agar to do more but the end result is poor!...also there are no defensive stats an area which he is poor.
His stats are also similar to last seasons yet most thought he was poor last season yet seem to believe he has improved this year ?

So if he had an organising 7 how do you reckon those stats would read then better than Wigans and matching all the top 4s?

You could do with reading posts more carefully before replying. I haven't said that Horne is as good as any in the top 4 at all. I certainly haven't said that he's in the top 4 stand offs in the country. I've said that his [istats[/i are as good as Brown's, who is undeniably a stand off in a top 4 side. And you want to compare defences? Here ya go...

Horne
Tackles: 286
Marker Tackles: 35
Missed Tackles: 40
Errors: 30
Penalies: 4

Chase
Tackles: 207
Marker Tackles: 17
Missed Tackles: 57
Errors: 30
Penalties: 10

So Chase makes many fewer tackles, misses more of them, makes the same number of errors, and gives away more than twice as many penalties.

Or the full backs and wingers have excellent positioning, but that rearly gets a mention.

Not really difficult when you drop 3 back though, is it?

Well it is for a kicker.

You joking ?...defence is not our issue very rarely has been with the likes of Fitz & Orgre...offence has been an issue for us though, so on that basis yes a player like Chase would likely be accommodated and welcomed!
Horney offers neither defence or offence !

Don't understand your reasoning that his stats look better because he's being asked to do more, evidently he has been capable of what he has been asked to do and is doing it relatively succesfully.

rlDefensive stats, not too bad.rl

Personally I don't like to get too bogged down in stats, I commented because I found those posted interesting. Bottom line is whether or not he performs in such a way that makes the team work better, and I'd still like to see him with a regular, good quality organising halfback partner to see if he still has what it takes for that. It's difficult to measure the true capabilities of many of our players thanks to the complete numpty who doesn't bother playing to any of their strengths. Berrigan is a prime example.

exactly! the point i made earlier about horne (snd westerman) when we played catalan, the dragons wingers also dropped back to support greenshields making the kicks easier to return, most teams do this but most are to blind to see

Do you honestly think a coach of a top team would accept defence like that from Chase?

Oh, and saying Horne offers neither is silly, and just smacks of sensationalist posting or a lack of knowledge of the game. You claim you have the latter so...

On that I will agree 100%, I hope things do improve next year no matter who is playing in the h/backs, I fear unless the coach is replaced it would not matter though tbh!
I agree stats only tell half a story and can be manipulated to suit most arguments. My point is he is basically being asked to kick and lead the team around the park the job of a 7 and not a 6 as what he is being compared against, his will be doing less next year which I suspect may make his stats less flattering any way.