Not sure what you base that on. Last off season we got pretty much everyone we went after. This season is tougher and we've missed a couple of targets, but you won't win them all.

If agar had been in charge of leeds, saints, wire, hudds or wigan, does anyone think they would have played the same brand of rugby they have this season and finished where they have?

In a results business does finishing 6th and losing in the 1st round of the playoffs count as success? (with his own players)

I'm not sure if that's a pop at Agar or defending him TBH. Are you saying the other clubs wouldn't stand for it, or that it's down to the players we have here that dictate our dour rugby?

I'd put the blame 50/50. Our lack of enthusiasm last night was shocking.

Given that six out of the thirteen other clubs will have done better than us I would say not. It's an improvement on the last two seasons although that was not difficult to achieve.

Success is probably stretching it a bit far. If we'd won one play-off game I'd have been more inclined to call it a success, but going out at the first hurdle has basically put us on the same pedestal as Crusaders. It's a success for them as they're new to the game, but for us I'd say it's the bare minimum of an ok season.

Every time i mentioned Agar not been good enough i was told by many on here to judge him on results at the end of the season. I still dont think he's the man for the job.

I'm baffled as to why we've played teams down the middle most of the season to a decent standard and then last night from minute 1 we shifted the ball to the fringes.

I'm also still baffled why Moa only gets 2x10min spells.

Is Agar the right man to move us forward next year?

Absolutely not.

I've personally had a gut full of Agar. I think he comes across as a dull & boring soul who lacks character. I personally struggle to see how he could inspire anybody to do anything other than slash their wrists.

As with most things in this world, you get what you pay for. Our club only seem willing to pay enough money to get an average, run of the mill coach, and that is exactly what we have got.

And that's something that has happened too many times this season. Something that is really inexcusable must be fixed immediately.

I don't know what he says in his half time team talks but our second half performances this season have been largely woeful.

In 29 games we have scored more than 12 second half points just 9 times and scored 6 points or less SIXTEEN times.

At 0-12 last night at half time I knew the game was up. Agar might be good at selling the club to players but his motivation skills appear to be poor in the extreme.

Pretty much where I am.



We did go back to one out rugby in the 2nd half again though for large spells.



You and me both. I said on another thread, both he and Lauaki have tended to still look reasonably fresh when they've been taken off this season, I think we could get more game time out of both.

We may move forward a bit more, but if you're asking whether I think he can progress us far enough, then no, I'm not convinced.