Indeed. It ought not to have become personal in the first place.

You're right there, hoppo.

And if the pair of you had concentrated on the technical aspects of Hall's game, without resorting to ill-found and cowardly insults like "windy", then there wouldn't have been a problem.

The fact that you pair of bottleless imbeciles decided to turn this into a character assissination speaks volumes.

If anyone could be accused of being windy, it's you pair.

I'm sorry if you find the usual topics on the sin bin beyond your intellect.

Maybe you are better off staying away.

correct

You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about something, but it's far from necessary. I suggested that Hall was windy, that he didn't relish the collision as much as he ought to as a pro RL player. I didn't accuse him of molesting goats or conning old ladies out of their pensions. Why not stop being so touchy and head off back to the sin bin to entertain everyone with your oh-so-interesting stories?

beefing up is what hall requires.a bit more weight behind him and u may just see a difference?????

I don't think he does need any more weight - his biggest positive is his elusiveness and ability to swerve round tacklers, and his relatively slight build helps this. He needs to concentrate on making the right calls in defence and executing tackles with better technique.

abit lightweight in defence for me

Why don't you "man-up"?

To accuse any professional RL player of being windy is wrong in the extreme. You may not have accused him of molesting goats, what you did accuse him of was cowardice.

Someone earlier mentioned Steve Evans. I knew Steve personally and while accepting that he was never the most agressive player to take the field, he could still never be accused of being "windy". Similarly, Sammy Lloyd once told me that when Knocker informed him that Hull would be approaching him, he was gobsmacked. When Bunt did speak to him, Sammy told him that if he was looking for a hard-running, hard-tackling 2nd row, then he was barking up the wrong tree. However if he was looking at a wide-running 2nd row, who could kick goals from anywhere on the park (Wembley excepted), then he was the man.

Now, if you are saying that any player in the modern era should just be a tackling machine, who can also bulldoze his way across the line, that's a totally different argument.

Just please don't accuse any player in professional rugby league of being windy because I don't know of any player, past or present, who would agree with your argument.

Spot on Mrs B.

Ah, another delightful story. And right on cue i might add.

Now I do remember seeing a current icon (on all, not just this board), playing at Headingley and I said at the time, that it was the first time I'de ever seen a defending full-back side step an attacking centre. No accusations of lacking bottle or being windy, just a simple obersvation.

Care to tell me who that player was?

Two words spring to mind .....

Chris Thorman.