Think the appropriate word is "disillusioned".

I have always been a fan of Richard,but as has been discussed elsewhwere,since his neck injury,and diagnosed with diabetes he has not been his usual self. It is understandable,but if he has lost his edge then sentiment has to go out of the window.I would love it if he returns to his former self. (only my opinion of course.)

Don't be so pedantic, we all knew what he meant. It's an Internet forum, not countdown!

Yea ,but he would get F all on Scrabble.

I know what you mean about the decision making but I reckon he will make a cracking hooker/looseman in the near future. Agree that he hasn't got it as a half but like to think that a succesion of coaches have picked him going back to McRae, who made sure we signed him ahead of other clubs, cant all be wrong.

He is the type of player you either love or hate, bit like Calderwood in that respect. Agree to a point about players you rate above him but think that, of his type, he is one of the best playing over here. Reckon he is a similar type of player to Crocker, though not in the same class, and one that we need.

Tommy Lee is an example of what is wrong with coaching set up at FC, he had good decision making and they have coached it out of him. The Horne borthers have all suffered from not having a settled position, Yeaman should be a second rower by now. The club has a long history of missing players by trying to make them into something the are not.

Tommy was a gifted ball handler and those of us who have watched his developement at West Hull over the years will be amazed how he has changed. I see him slowing down to think now before he makes pass, the3 coaches and the bo boys hjave done that. I hope he does change clubs and goes on to become the player many of know is in there it just needs a decent patient coach to bring it back out.

Westerman and Welham where both at FC, two examples I can think of where good players have slipped through the net. We keep kidding ourselves that our junior set up is the best, its not its bloody dire at times. We are ruining more then we are producing and we not producing any half backs of note at the moment.

excellent post, TL was rated amongst the best youngsters in the game, his game has been coached out of him, we have watched a talented youngster, and i am amazed at how he has changed!

was suppose to pay off his morgage you mean but didnt ?

didnt think for one minute horne would do that with his money sensible people dont

talking about not producing half backs at the moment.could anyone tell me when was the last time ,hull or rovers for that matter last produced a top class scrum half of any real note.ive watched hull for many years and i cant recall any local scrum half going on to represent great britain.

It's quite common for a seemingly world beating junior to fail to make the grade at senior level. It has always happened, and is not inevitably the fault of the club or in TL's case the 3 different coaches who have presided over him.

At the same club Paul Cooke was a gifted young ball player and yet he did make the grade becoming the team's pivotal player.

Interesting to see Moa listed as Super League's best prop in this months Rugby League World. He has looked good in the last few he's played. I would want a seriously high quality replacement if we didn't retain him. Gotta be good value even on an improved contract.

Paul Cooke had a regular position and one main coach for his formative years ..................bomber

Talk about tommy lee's supposed gift all you want, the kid was never going to be the superstar some thought, talking to other people that have first hand experience of his youth career and plenty thought he wouldn't make it, some are even surprised he got this far.
You also name 2 other players that we have let slip, there are also those that have made it, rich Horne and yeamo have both been gb internationals, washy was in super leagues team of the year in 2008, tom briscoe is in the England elite squad. Paul king has a gb cap, rich whiting was young poty through our development, danny houghton is probably the 2nd best impact hooker inthe league and then there's cookie a kid who probably should have gb caps aswell.

Considering Hull is a "hot bed of rugby league", it has produced very few top class players in the last 25 years. Must be more to do with coaching than a lack of natural talent