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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club. Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you. "Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005:



Quote: kt170496 "So Leeds/Bradford and other teams that when out of the C/C are sacking they Coaches then ????'"



They might anyway as they are worse than us.....its a results and revenue buissness and that is 1 result and revenue down.

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Quote: fc baldy "And the no $hit $herlock award has a early winner this week.'"


Are you still sulking?

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"FRIENDS ARE THE FAMILY YOU CHOOSE YOURSELF" Ray of sunshine Hull FC till I die If you can not say any thing nice don't say nothing at all GRANDCHILDREN ARE GOD'S REWARD FOR BEING A PARENT It's Rough It's Tough It's Rugby League R Whiting Best Thing Since Slice Bread Better make That Second GRANDDAUGHTER IS NUMBER ONE ..1959/65 1Battalion Prince Of Wales Own Regiment Of Yorkshire ..Gibraltar/Libya/Wuppertal/Berlin FROM 1959 TILL 1965 I WAS TAUGHT HOW TO KILL FROM MONDAY TO SATURDAYS BUT ON SUNDAYS THE PARSON TOLD US NOT KILL When I asked Who is right I was told "don't be clever Soldier just do has you are told " "Ich bin ein Berliner I was there when those words where spoken " part of history " "SMILE and make the WORLD a better place ":disney1/Dis75.gif



Quote: The Brother "What do they think it is the boy scouts ffs, tbh shame others can't show Thacks desire he was obviously venting his anger about getting little game time again, maybe if the coach got the interchange right it wouldn't have vome to this

Also heard ben cooper had a warning for constantly swearing at the players for gods sake it's a mans game'"
Glad they wasn't around when I played I would have never got on the field .. I can remember telling the RSM to F--- his Tactics icon_lol.gif

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"FRIENDS ARE THE FAMILY YOU CHOOSE YOURSELF" Ray of sunshine Hull FC till I die If you can not say any thing nice don't say nothing at all GRANDCHILDREN ARE GOD'S REWARD FOR BEING A PARENT It's Rough It's Tough It's Rugby League R Whiting Best Thing Since Slice Bread Better make That Second GRANDDAUGHTER IS NUMBER ONE ..1959/65 1Battalion Prince Of Wales Own Regiment Of Yorkshire ..Gibraltar/Libya/Wuppertal/Berlin FROM 1959 TILL 1965 I WAS TAUGHT HOW TO KILL FROM MONDAY TO SATURDAYS BUT ON SUNDAYS THE PARSON TOLD US NOT KILL When I asked Who is right I was told "don't be clever Soldier just do has you are told " "Ich bin ein Berliner I was there when those words where spoken " part of history " "SMILE and make the WORLD a better place ":disney1/Dis75.gif



Quote: fc baldy "They might anyway as they are worse than us.....its a results and revenue buissness and that is 1 result and revenue down.'"
Its a game there are winners and looser ..We got beat ..the good points for the fans we have no more outlays icon_wink.gif ps I got my tickets for the Saints game this morning icon_confused.gif:

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I don't get this idea of a cheap coach. Surely the board have a heard of the term 'Speculate to Accumulate'? We spend the money on a decent coach and he repays us by getting us to the playoff and further into the cups etc. Hopefully ending with final appearences. This in turn increases the gates and the profit.

But our board pay for dross and we are all surprised with crap tactics and performances! icon_sad.gif

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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club. Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you. "Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005:



Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Are you still sulking?'"



About what?

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Quote: kt170496 "So Leeds/Bradford and other teams that went out of the C/C are sacking they Coaches then ????'"

Go take a look at the Bradford forum.

Leeds went out to the current CC holders and second best team in SL for the past two seasons. They also have a realistic chance of winning SL this season. Neither of which apply to Hull FC.

And for he record, I haven't asked for the coach to be sacked.

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Quote: PAUL M "The players seem to be the biggest problem right now, god knows why the attitude of them is so wrong but regardless of tactics we could still show desire and work ethic.'"


No, the coach is the problem. If players are playing badly, its up to the coach to drop them and give someone else a go. After Cas he dropped Thackray (and now it sounds like that wasn't even performance based) and replaced him with King (who hasn't been as good imo). After Quins he drops Houghton and uses Lee as the second hooker. Why? Houghton may not be playing out of his skin but he has been useful. Lee looked poor at hooker yesterday, he shouldn't have been moved away from the back row. This is a rubbish attempt at trying to get our form back on track.

Quote: PAUL M "Folkes would be silly tbh as he would cost more money for possibly the same gameplan but at least he would be a fresh man.

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Folkes sounds like he would be good. It doesn't matter if he uses a forwards game too. In fact its probably better that way. The problem is we aren't doing it well at all at the moment, not the fact we are playing that way.
I actually think that we could get Kearney as our coach if we tried hard enough. McLennan and Anderson both came here from the same role as Kearney has with NZ at the moment, and we have already convinced Kearney to come to our club once before. I think he may relish the chance of been a head coach instead of assistant like he is atm for Melbourne.
While I do think that we should go to the NRL for our new coach, I feel there are a couple of realistic options here too.
I think Matterson is proving that he would be a good fit for us. He is getting a lot from what is a workman like pack (like ours is) yet is still allowing his backs creativity and they are getting tons of points. I feel if a back 5 of Tony, Calderwood, Hall, Yeaman and Raynor would get tons of points under his system. Richard Horne would love it too. I think we could easily get Matterson.
Less realistically would be Morgan. He has moulded a team that wants to play for each other and alwaus seem to show 100% effort. He also seems to be getting the best out of the players he has. I think he could be a realistic approach as he seems ambitious. But obviously the fact that he coaches Rovers would obviously be a massive problem in getting him to.

Agar needs to go, and needs to go asap. I have said all season that I've not been impressed with the tactics etc, and he tooks us backwards last season. As usual though, we will do what 95% of sporting clubs do and wait until it is too late. The likes of Alex Ferguson (who start off crap but eventually turn out good for a club) are the exception, not the rule and I hope we realise this soon. I predict a total of 80 points conceeded this weekend, I'm really not looking forward to the two games.

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Quote: The Key "No, the coach is the problem. If players are playing badly, its up to the coach to drop them and give someone else a go. After Cas he dropped Thackray (and now it sounds like that wasn't even performance based) and replaced him with King (who hasn't been as good imo). After Quins he drops Houghton and uses Lee as the second hooker. Why? Houghton may not be playing out of his skin but he has been useful. Lee looked poor at hooker yesterday, he shouldn't have been moved away from the back row. This is a rubbish attempt at trying to get our form back on track.
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Totally disagree. I thought Lee looked good at Hooker on Sunday and Houghton has been poor so far this year. Most of the players on Sunday quite simply didn't turn up, Is Agar meant to drop all of them? I'm not his biggest fan but the players need to start taking some responsibility. Our tactics haven't been hugely different in all the games so far this season its been the application of the players and the effort levels that have seen us have poor performances. Not that I think our tactics are great or anything but they can work if everyone is giving 100%

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Quote: Robbo4 "Totally disagree. I thought Lee looked good at Hooker on Sunday and Houghton has been poor so far this year. Most of the players on Sunday quite simply didn't turn up, Is Agar meant to drop all of them? I'm not his biggest fan but the players need to start taking some responsibility. Our tactics haven't been hugely different in all the games so far this season its been the application of the players and the effort levels that have seen us have poor performances. Not that I think our tactics are great or anything but they can work if everyone is giving 100%'"


We will have to agree to disagree about Lee's performance on Sunday tbh.
With regards to dropping everyone, obviously he can't do that. But he can't just keep the same team. The back row looks really poor at the moment, and I really do think King currently adds nothing to the side. We also look very poor in the halves. Players can be dropped from the back row, and so can King. It's obviously harder to drop either Horne or Thorman. I wouldn't drop Horne at all, but I would be considering dropping Thorman if I was coach. The fact it's such a big game, in fact such a big long weekend shouldn't deter from the idea that big decisions need to be made regarding the team because we can't continue as we are

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Quote: The Key "Folkes sounds like he would be good. It doesn't matter if he uses a forwards game too. In fact its probably better that way. The problem is we aren't doing it well at all at the moment, not the fact we are playing that way.'"

Well, that, plus the fact that we don't (currently) have the players to play that style of rugby.

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Quote: Kosh "Well, that, plus the fact that we don't (currently) have the players to play that style of rugby.'"


While we haven't got the best pack imo, with the right tactics a forward style game could be implemented. It needs a good coach to make it work with the current pack though.

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The board made the mistake of giving Agar a long term contract he should have been given a year to prove himself.

Now we have no other choice but to stick with Agar as I doubt the club has the money to pay him off.

IMO we should have gone for Millward, I like the way he gets his team to play and he has has the ability to attract the top players from the NRL. Ok he didnt have much success as Wigan, but who has recently?

Saying all that Agar needs to be given until the end of the season IMO, he needs to make sure that he brings in a top class Fullback and scrumhalf.

With the team we have I always expected our season to be like this, I just wish we would our brains more and try and play some rugby.

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Quote: Dave K. "The board made the mistake of giving Agar a long term contract he should have been given a year to prove himself.

Now we have no other choice but to stick with Agar as I doubt the club has the money to pay him off.

IMO we should have gone for Millward, I like the way he gets his team to play and he has has the ability to attract the top players from the NRL. Ok he didnt have much success as Wigan, but who has recently?

Saying all that Agar needs to be given until the end of the season IMO, he needs to make sure that he brings in a top class Fullback and scrumhalf.

With the team we have I always expected our season to be like this, I just wish we would our brains more and try and play some rugby.'"



Shouldnt we be throwing the towel in with Crockergate then and also saying thanks but no thanks to Effy so we are able to throw money at a world class scrum half as we will need to pay a transfer fee also ?!?!


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Quote: MR BOJANGLES "


Shouldnt we be throwing the towel in with Crockergate then and also saying thanks but no thanks to Effy so we are able to throw money at a world class scrum half as we will need to pay a transfer fee also ?!?!
'"

But there isnt one available at the moment.

I would use the salary cap and quota place for a new Fullback and SH to replace Tony, Cusack, Bryne and Thorman.

And have Effy and Crocker in our pack.

New FB
Calderwood.
Briscoe/Hall
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
New SH.
Dowes.
Berrigan
King
Crocker
Tickle
Washbrook

Manu
Effy
Thacks
Whiting.

Would be the team I would like to see next year.

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