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| Quote: east hull FC fan "
If I employed somebody and paid them more than anyone else in my companies history, who had a similar record of producing results. Then I would expect that person to produce excellent results, wherever I used him, regardless if he had any respect for me..'"
Problem is if you put someone in charge of him who didn't know what they were doing and surrounded them with idiots then you'd get the same results Hull did with berrigan. It was as if Hull expected him to be richard swain mkII and berrigan was a completely different type of player
The issue with Hull is that agar isn't able to get the resources he has to be at least as good as the sum of it's parts. Interesting that berrigan's best season with us coincided with the latter stages of peter sharp's tenure
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| Can't see how the amount of money he was paid has any baring on how he performs on the pitch.
If he was paid 150k a season, should he put in twice the effort and skill than a player on 75k???
Good on Berro, tell us all what a shambles our club has become.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Some truth in what Berro said but he should take a look at himself too.'"
Spot on.
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| What berro said is true to be honest , his first season he was very good when he played most of the season at hooker then he seemed to never get a proper run in 1 position. Also the fitness side is obvious to anyone who watches the two leagues they are far better athletes
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| For me Berrigan had enough opportunities to make an impression over here and didnt deliever regardless of how many positions he had to cover..other players of less stature manage it with the same squad depth/interchanges etc that he had to contend with...
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| personally think he was the wrong signing at the time really, you lost a real leader in richard swain and thought berrigan as an aussie international would fit the bill to replace him. trouble was as good as berrigan is he isn't and never has been a leader on the field for any of his teams. you paid him lots of money because thats the going rate for aussie internationals, he couldn't deliver what you wanted him to do because he wasn't that kind if player imho
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| A player of his apparent stature, skill & experience should have enabled him to drag the mediocrity up a notch and stand out 9 times out of 10. Good workers produce good results even within teams that aren't all that and despite crappy line managers. Fact is Berrigan didn't deliver the consistant quality that was expected of an international centre/hooker.
@ Graham Richards, if can't read between the lines then that's fine but that is a very thinly veiled pop at Hull FC & the management henc why so many are commenting on it. The words are chosen so as not to make a direct link to the club so it doesn't cause a stink, very smart if you ask me.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "A player of his apparent stature, skill & experience should have enabled him to drag the mediocrity up a notch and stand out 9 times out of 10. Good workers produce good results even within teams that aren't all that and despite crappy line managers. Fact is Berrigan didn't deliver the consistant quality that was expected of an international centre/hooker.
@ Graham Richards, if can't read between the lines then that's fine but that is a very thinly veiled pop at Hull FC & the management henc why so many are commenting on it. The words are chosen so as not to make a direct link to the club so it doesn't cause a stink, very smart if you ask me.'"
Yep to a certain extent I agree with what you say. Yes it may be THINLY veiled dig at the club but its a massive dig at the game in general in Europe. How even with a free spending board and better coach do you foresee a situation where squads are deeper? Better quality maybe but bigger squads never.
How do you see Hull avoiding the situation where the entire emphasis of the game is shifted from the wrestle ?
That's the English game to a T and is why its sterile and dull without off the cuff play. Its also why we will be forever playing second fiddle to the Aussies and Kiwis.
I don't see why he has breached any contract of silence like some suggest. I also don't see how it questions Agar.
I did think he was a decent signing when he came. I did not expect him to replace Swain as like Knocker and Sterling, Smith he was a once in a generation player. I was disappointed with him post 08 but equally felt he was the best of what has been a mediocre bunch.
Its all opinions of course.
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| I don't disagree with any of his statements per se and that he has said anything doesn't bother me one iota. The game is technically poor IMHO, a large part of it stems from the RFL allowing the game to demise and infringements let slide (despite many fans saying refs don't let the game flow).
My point was that you said it didn't have a dig at Agar and Hull FC, I disagreed.
Your point that he is having a go at SL is of course absolute, the way in which he has chosen his words gives them a double edged meaning which was quite obvious I thought.
To resolve it the RFL need to change the laws of the game to emphasise getting off the player as soon as the tackle is complete as opposed to the tacklers waiting for the refs call. Full 10m from the ptb to be imposed, given it is supposed to be 10m when the ball leaves the ruck not as the player is putting the ball down. Also less interchanges as Berro mentioned.
Hull FC need to do whatever they can within the rules to win, they need to push the edges of the rules as far as allowable like other top teams do week in week out.
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| Quote: sandy "personally think he was the wrong signing at the time really, you lost a real leader in richard swain and thought berrigan as an aussie international would fit the bill to replace him. trouble was as good as berrigan is he isn't and never has been a leader on the field for any of his teams. you paid him lots of money because thats the going rate for aussie internationals, he couldn't deliver what you wanted him to do because he wasn't that kind if player imho'"
Absolutely spot on. I also think, as alluded to in his article , he wasn't happy with the way things were and the fact the players around him weren't the quality he'd been used to so he ended up not giving a toss. He certainly looked utterly miserable or bored for most of the last two years.
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| Quote: ChrisH "Absolutely spot on. I also think, as alluded to in his article , he wasn't happy with the way things were and the fact the players around him weren't the quality he'd been used to so he ended up not giving a toss. He certainly looked utterly miserable or bored for most of the last two years.'"
thank the motivational whirlwind that is Dick Agar!
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| I read this thread first then read the article. I thought there must be a couple of paragraphs missing off the link such is the disparity between what this thread says and what was actually said ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Another one here who doesn't see what relevance his wage has. Being paid more does not mean he can do a better job than others without the right team around him. There was only last season where I think he had a disappointing run.
To those who are saying he wasn't good enough for the money, do you also think that we should nail down Agar to an even longer term deal?
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| i have said in previous posts agar hasn't the skill or knowledge to coach people like long,berrigan, omeley or any other top class player so if berro wants to slag us off good on him, maybe the board might for a milli second see his comments are spot on; agar is a complete idiot who only we will employ,he,d struggle to coach in the national conference.Sooner he is on is merry way the better ![DANCE icon_biggrin.gifANCE:](images/smilies//eusa_dance.gif)
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| after watchin Richard Swain Berrigan never did it for me, always thought he ran hot n cold.
the best thing he did was bring the best out of Danny Houghton who took his spot with both hands.
typical Aussie though, go back home and complain about his time over here
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