People complained like mad about our fitness when he was in charge!

What lost us the game was our indiscipline and our poor goal line defence. The first and last 20 mins we did quite well but the middle section we were awful.

I'm piissed

All of the above. It was completely e

Agar has address the wall in our defnsive drills for next week

Spot on.

Could quite easily have made it 18 nil from the following set

I agree. No way would agar even suggest a good 20 minutes

Hindsight eh?

I was happy to go 14-0 ahead based on us been quite a dogged team in defence and fully expected us to enter the arm wrestle and control the game.

Little was I to know that the team changes afoot would lead to us losing our discipline and ability to defend our line! This would probably have happened even had we gone 18-0 ahead.

We are just a dumb team. 2 tries came from Briscoe making a tackle and was at marker with nobody filling in for him so they had an extra man and scored twice Its basic things like that that cost us the game, and our poor discipline and fitness.

For sure such as Westerman and Hame missing alot of one on ones, Rovers are one of the most direct teams in the league so theres no excuse for missing basic one on ones.

I was looking at our team 1-6 don't have a clue in D#. In regards to reading the game. In the pack Shrek, Fitz and Houghton seem to be the only ones who actually move up and turn the player. Tickle, Manu, Radford, Dowes, Hame etc seem to be happy with just getting the player on the ground even if the player gets a quick ptb.

With the refs been very keen on holding down we have to get the oppostion players on the backs to gain those extra few seconds to man up in the defensive line.

Lost count of the number of times I've said "thats an awful tackle position" in the past few years and today was no different.

It has to be down to coaching, it has to be.

We all know players like Sean O'loughlin, Darell Goulding, Joel Tomkins really aren't any better than Yeaman, Manu and Briscoe. O'loughlin and Leuleui and a lot of these players for Wigan were struggling near the bottom of the table a few years ago. All that's changed is that Maguire has gotten them playing in a system, that's all it is. Further proof shows that these players don't perform at an international level because they're system players.

Yes, Hull players do make mistakes and give away penalties but it's Agar's fault for allowing it to happen. As soon as he inherited the job, he should have applied pressure and made it clear that the fundamentals have to always be respected. Backing up, tackling-technique, dummy runners, not letting a single forward drive without someone on their shoulder, speed of the ruck. I'm sure this is what any respectable coach implements: if you don't perform to that standard, somebody else will instead. Why is this lost on Hull FC?

All that FC needs is a system, and an inspirational, respectful coach that enforces these fundamentals of being a top Super League club, then we'd see the talents of Briscoe, Yeaman, Sharp come to fruition.