I'd like to see Agar see the season out but imo we need a clean sweep of the coaching team for next season as I don't think Agar can take us much further. He can't motivate his players consistently, his tactics are limited and he seems unable to develop a player.

Imo players like Briscoe, Hall and Houghton need the right guidance and I am not sure they are getting it and even players like Yeaman, Horne and Tansey can become much more rounded players but need a coach who will identify the areas for improvement.

I agree Paul, Agar has failed to develop a single player, in fact, the entire organisation has failed in it's responsibility to develop anyone for ten years.

Because it's come to a point we're people are too stubborn to except other people's? And the reason I've been leaving the forum alone as of late.

It depends, when people back up their point of view with facts then it's fine, a bit like when I say I don't rate whiting, and AA points out how well he has played, I cannot argue against, the guy is having a great season so far.

It's called reasoned debate.

Nah Standee, Im not against debate or expressing opinions on here, in fact the opposite.

But It's at a stage which people's views have become so strong that nothing else can change them, no matter what Hull do. Therefore I've tried to stay away from threads which seem more like pointless arguments then debates.

Paul,

My major worry!!

Is that our youngsters not retained by the club, being deemed not good enough.

Then they go to another club, whereby they reach their potential.

Who?

I'm 'Happy' to give Rich Agar til the midway point of this season.....then reveiw the situation. He has brought some reat class players to FC......Fitz is a legend, O'Meley is Awsome and Longy is a REAL SCRUM HALF (something we have been lacking since 'Casper' got injured!!!!
I watched the Salford game with great expectation.....and it ended in misery. The only thing that made my night was the fact that KR had got beaten by a really poor Catalans team!!!! (I hate when they can gloat).
So.....Lets end the witch hunt and get behind our coach at least until the season just can't be saved!

Ya never know......we may all be heading to Wembley and/or Old Trafford this year!!!

What about Tom Briscoe?

his natural talent is been wasted.

We needed a clearout and Agar delivered that - now he is working on getting this new structure and ethos to work. The two coaches you mention have picked up fit teams that had been performing pretty well before they arrived whereas any RL supporter worth their salt would realise that Hull's injury woes and their lack of quality would have been enough to hurt anyone team.

As quick as people are negatively judging Agar this year, they appear to be doing the same with MacGuire positively. Let's see where both teams end the season before we compare coaching success.

Sadly I think you are right

I would have agreed with that two or three months ago Chewie because he deserved his chance with HIS team but now, eight games in, we are not much better than before the clearout and yet we have a far superior squad.

However we wrap it up, there is pretty much only one thing left and only one common denominator across seasons 2008, 2009 and 2010 and we all know what that is. If we give Agar until mid-season, our 2010 "campaign" could be well and truly sunk without even the slightest chance of success.

I’ve not said you are not entitled to your opinion. We can agree to disagree that’s fine. However, rather than use reasoned debate, you seem to just throw silly remarks or irrelevant statements when an opinion doesn’t match your own. On this thread for example, when I’ve posed a question about ‘how can you sack a coach who has won every home game?’ Rather than respond to it, you just ignore it? To me that means you can’t answer the question with a reasoned argument or you gloss over it with a silly remark in attempt to belittle it and therefore dismiss it altogether? Either way you’re not giving your ‘Agar out at all costs’ opinion any credibility are you?

To answer this, no neither of those coaches recruited their own team. Peter Sharp didn’t when he took over halfway through season and took us to the grand final. Maguire, like Agar, shouldn’t be judged just yet. Wait until the end of the year. He hasn’t won anything yet. The only way Wigan can improve this year is to get to the final of each competition as they made the semi finals of both last year. He hasn’t done that yet so hold your horses with the Maguire fan club. Can I also point out he had inherited a quality squad to start with. Agar did not.

As far as Nathan Brown, when it really mattered in the CC final, all the players played badly and froze. Also in the playoffs, they only scored one try from what I remember and where poor again. So from that point of view, he also failed to sufficiently motivate his players for the big occasions, let alone Salford away in the league.