None? But then people often have a different view of something that they have vs something that they dont have.

Did they?

Not so sure TBH.

Even though he left us in a higher position and I'm sure his win ratio will be higher I'd maybe put Sharp down as debatable, but Kear no doubt, in his first season he put his stamp on the squad and changed the style from what we played under McRae, it wasn't as pretty but we still had a cutting edge and won when it mattered and won the cup and a play off game. If you look at the time Agsr has been given Kear should have at least had the chance to weed out the trouble makers who forced him out, and they maybe arnt the obvious ones that would springvto mind.

You mean like Richard Swain? There was quite a few players who didn't enjoy playing under Kear (alledgedly), for me the fact only Wakefield took him on after we let him go says it all about John. Nice guy and a good assistant but didn't have what it takes to be a #1 IMO.

It was either get rid of a lot of players or get rid of the coach and I feel reaching the GF after getting rid of the coach more than justified the boards decision.

Exactly the same could be said of Agar and Sharp too.

Perhaps, this year will tell with Agar - The board obviously see something in him. Sharp took us backwards with his unbelievably poor signings IMO so I'd agree with you there, perhaps a man manager (?) but poor on the recruitment side.

No I'm not, you're just misunderstanding what I'm saying.... I said Wigan had a great squad, a squad that was capable of walking the Superleague, they just needed a coach to help them realise this. McGuire is, like I said, a great coach and helped them achieve what they have done.

We do not have that squad, IMO McGuire would not deliver the superleague trophy this year if he was our coach...

What I'm also saying is Agar will leave our club in a far better state than when he took over, whether that's mid season this year, the end of his contract or after his next contract extension if he gets one!!

I remember the discussions on here about both Kear and Sharp. By the time both left they were no more popular than Agar. Kear's recruitment was patchy at best - he stuffed the side with average players to cover for injuries and to a certain extent we've only just started to recover from that strategy. He also couldn't get us playing consistently in the league and our style outside of the CC games was just as dull as at present. Sharp was a better coach IMO but his recruitment was poor and he seemed to struggle with the style required in the modern game. Overall no better than Agar.

Kear was ousted for reasons not entirely connected with our on-field performances. Arguably the BOD should have squared up to the issue and supported him, but fans on here were split 50/50 on his departure at the time. Sharp I think was sacked too soon, and the decision to replace him with Agar looked like a knee-jerk response.

I'm no fan of Agar, but to say that he is worse than our last two coaches is extremely debatable IMO. And I think that the decision to give him so much time to come good has a lot to do with the way and speed of departure of his predecessors.

I understand perfectly what you're saying - Wigan's squad wasn't anywhere near 'capable of walking Super League' though, a hell of a lot of that was down to Maguire.

Most people will have to concede the best team won the GF & Leaders Shield in 2010 and the new coaching set-up was instrumental but the rest of the 'serious' contenders were not far behind in a generally ordinary SL season IMO - Wires with maybe not enough depth of squad,Saints with injuries to important players at the wrong time and Rhinos just not capable with their relatively ageing squad that had been top-dogs were not quite up to the task - can't see much change in pecking order for 2011 with maybe Wires replacing Saints in the order but Wigan look pretty awesome again

I do go and watch the boring and turgid style ,we play.

I wont bother this season, as the way the club has treated my father,who was seriously ill last year,and has been a supporter for 60 years, is a disgrace.

IF you saw the Hull FC team,that Brian Smith assembled in his first season,
which consisted of no internationals,players such as Jackson,Eastwood and Karl Harrison.

Smith transformed these unknown players into GB internationals.

Then you will appreciate ,that a GOOD coach,can take 17 players and transform them into a team.

I hope Agar can gel these players into a formidable unit,but sincerely I cant see it

Spot on for me, Kosh. 71-0 against Bradford and the awful defeat at Odsal in defence of the CC were as hideous as our Cup run was superb. Sharp was probably not given enough time with the big injury list, but I also think his apparent ambivalence towards the fans of the club didn't help him, nor his random press conference performances. I understand the club retaining Agar for continuity, but the issue is that even if we have a disastrous season, Agar will be succeeded either by James Webster or Steve McNamara. The current board do not believe a world class coach is warranted for a club of our size. This is all the more staggering when we're prepared to shell out £120k or whatever it was for a backrower, but there we have it.

Totally agree mate.

I can't help wondering if he would still be with us, had we still had P&R
I also wonder how many of the 'give Agar more time' brigade, would be saying the same.

the loss of p&r gave the club the chance to provide some continuity.