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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "Not quite sure I understand your point. At Cas Westerman won SL Young Player of the Year and was called into the full England squad (only to get injured before the international games). Since moving to Hull he has not regained his spot in the England squad until this year and has not performed as well as he did at Cas (from what I have seen).'"
I think he was talking about Arundel.
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| Quote: weaver93 "The blame for the debacle lays firmly at the door of Adam Pearson and previous owners.
Why??? , they always appoint unproven Head Coaches, where there are no structures & foundations in place.
We need someone who can gel a group of individuals into a TEAM.
Our passing is slow & inaccurate, dummy runners are virtually non existent. - these are coachable,- you dont need top players to achieve these basic skills.
Game after game, we see the same failings, basic errors slow wayward passing,dropped passes, mistimed dummy runners , I dont feel the staff/players work hard enough at improving basic core skills.'"
There is no such thing as a dummy runner, although plenty run like dummies.
Option runner is the term these days, all runs should be timed so that they can be hit on the flat pass, that at times creates more destruction than the poorly timed pass out the back. The whole attack structure needs all the cogs in time to make things happen, but we have slow distribution and our pivots go sideways so we run our outside players out of space.
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| Quote: Graham Richards "Spot on.
I was told that this year was an improvement on last as the players had some kind of working week structure and knew where they stood day to day. Well thats working well.
I recently attended a RU coaching course which was taken by a regional coach. He emphasised the basics over and over again. Okay I coach youngsters, but he stressed that even the national squads do basic drills to keep the basic skills up to scratch.
Its a different code I know, but the principle remains the same. I couldn't imagine any of the basics of the game being practiced by our squads. (I stand corrected if they do).
PTB is a massive issue for us and while he is part of "Club Hull" I would be looking to replace Houghton for a start as his distribution is far too slow. He will be feeding Sneyd and Pryce next year and that will dampen their effectiveness immediately.
But I guess from November until February they will have plenty of time to get that right.
Basics are a must and no team at any age group should neglect them, no matter how good you are. Not sure on FCs sessions but When Sandercock was at KR had started every day off with basics and had that running right down the structure.
I'd guess Leeds, Saints, Wigan etc will all do similar.
As for working on players skills, how long do you think it takes to correct and re train a bad habit at the high levels. A lot longer than people think, if they haven't developed certain skills at a young age, they may never master them, can slightly improve but you'd be surprised.
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| Quote: *1865* "You're going only on what you've seen on match day, there's 6 other days in the week that require a certain level of effort and commitment to being a professional RL player. It's not even a secret, there's plenty on here that know what's going on with Ben, some issues are beyond even Ben's control, but most of them are his fault.'"
Well maybe you would like to enlighten us with the Ben Crooks behind the scene story.
All I see is a very talented young player who at the moment is being frozen out of the club because of an incompetent coach.
You have to play to the strengths of flair players.We know Crooks has a weakness in defence but a good coach will work on that.You can also protect him a little more by playing someone like Ellis on the right for several games.
You cant blame Crooks for being disillusioned.
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| Quote: weaver93 "Great post ... especially Re
That's because this incompetent coach sees nothing more than tackling,and how many metres you make returning the ball.
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| Quote: bonaire "Well maybe you would like to enlighten us with the Ben Crooks behind the scene story.
All I see is a very talented young player who at the moment is being frozen out of the club because of an incompetent coach.
You have to play to the strengths of flair players.We know Crooks has a weakness in defence but a good coach will work on that.You can also protect him a little more by playing someone like Ellis on the right for several games.
You cant blame Crooks for being disillusioned.'"
I can quite easily blame Ben for choosing a bird over his RL development. If Liam Watts was being as unprofessional as Crooks is there'd be uproar.
Like I've said, easy to blame the coach when you don't know the full story.
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| Quote: *1865* "I can quite easily blame Ben for choosing a bird over his RL development. If Liam Watts was being as unprofessional as Crooks is there'd be uproar.
Like I've said, easy to blame the coach when you don't know the full story.'"
well if you know the full story then tell us as you know it
Choosing a bird sounds more like pub talk to me.
Being made a scapegoat and continually left out of the side even when replacements who have taken his place have been even worse probably has more to do with his disillusion than anything else.
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| Quote: bonaire "well if you know the full story then tell us as you know it
Choosing a bird sounds more like pub talk to me.
Being made a scapegoat and continually left out of the side even when replacements who have taken his place have been even worse probably has more to do with his disillusion than anything else.'"
Wasn't in pub when Lineham told me, as for the other stuff, drop AP a line, he'll tell you.
Makes no difference if I put everything I was told on here or not, you still wouldn't believe it. Best to ask those at the club.
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| Radford is worse then Agar and that takes some doing, but like Agar he seems to be immune to getting the sack even though he is probably the worst coach in super league
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| Quote: *1865* "Wasn't in pub when Lineham told me, as for the other stuff, drop AP a line, he'll tell you.
Makes no difference if I put everything I was told on here or not, you still wouldn't believe it. Best to ask those at the club.'"
Not being funny but how can I or others form an opinion if we don't have the information you tell us you have.
If Lineham has told you certain things then its hardly confidential so will do no harm if you divulge on here all you know about the Ben Crooks situation and why he isnt being considered for selection.
I am certain I am not the only Hull Fc supporter who would be interested
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| Quote: bonaire "Not being funny but how can I or others form an opinion if we don't have the information you tell us you have.
If Lineham has told you certain things then its hardly confidential so will do no harm if you divulge on here all you know about the Ben Crooks situation and why he isnt being considered for selection.
I am certain I am not the only Hull Fc supporter who would be interested'"
That's a fair enough point, I'll happily tell you that he's basically not doing the extra work the club have asked him to (ie bulking up) because he's more interested in his girlfriend and he hasn't been the same since he met her. But I just don't feel it would be right to spout off certain other things I've been told, because quite frankly I'm not sure I believe it all.
All I said in the first instance was that sometimes these things aren't the clubs fault and the finger of blame lies elsewhere. It happens, prime example for us is Danny Brough.
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| Maybe Ben Crooks just doesn't want to end up looking like Popeye!
Unfortunately for the lad Radford has no time for pace & flair & seems to want all players to mirror
his own robotic `bash & grunt' style of play, consequently our threequarter line has been transformed from
a potentially exciting one last season, to arguably the slowest in S.L.
`Bulking up' doesn't work for everyone - ask Tommy Lee.
If we lose talented young players like Crooks for whatever reason, then our `off the field' management is almost as
bad as our performances on it. - What happened to Pearson's constant quotes about `young players being the future'?
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| Quote: westdock boy in oz "What happened to Pearson's constant quotes about `young players being the future'?'"
Regardless of who is the coach the club is clearly putting a massive emphasis on promoting/developing youth players who are believed to be good enough. I seriously doubt there's ever been a time when this policy has been clearer or more important. If there's one thing that Radford can't be accused of it's closing the door on youth players - there's plenty of ammunition to fire at him regarding other things such as attacking structure and organisation as well as first team selection, but certainly not promotion of youth.
The big question isn't over whether Ben Crooks has the attitude required to make it as a SL player, but whether we've enough high quality talent coming through to make this policy work in the medium term.
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| Quote: westdock boy in oz "Maybe Ben Crooks just doesn't want to end up looking like Popeye!
Unfortunately for the lad Radford has no time for pace & flair & seems to want all players to mirror
his own robotic `bash & grunt' style of play, consequently our threequarter line has been transformed from
a potentially exciting one last season, to arguably the slowest in S.L.
`Bulking up' doesn't work for everyone - ask Tommy Lee.
If we lose talented young players like Crooks for whatever reason, then our `off the field' management is almost as
bad as our performances on it. - What happened to Pearson's constant quotes about `young players being the future'?'"
to be fair, bulking up Crooks is the one thing i'd agree with Radford on, his defence isn't up to scratch for a SL centre. You don't want him to loose that electric pace, but a balance between pace and defence has to be found somewhere or he won't progress.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Regardless of who is the coach the club is clearly putting a massive emphasis on promoting/developing youth players who are believed to be good enough. I seriously doubt there's ever been a time when this policy has been clearer or more important. If there's one thing that Radford can't be accused of it's closing the door on youth players - there's plenty of ammunition to fire at him regarding other things such as attacking structure and organisation as well as first team selection, but certainly not promotion of youth.
The big question isn't over whether Ben Crooks has the attitude required to make it as a SL player, but whether we've enough high quality talent coming through to make this policy work in the medium term.'"
There is a big emphasis on youth which could be applauded. We could take to the field next Friday with 17 from the academy all born in the HU post code area and despite a defeat we would spin it as the youngest team for a generation and all Hull born and bred. Sadly though that policy will get us nowhere as the players will not develop into the stars that they could potentially be.
We have blahed on about our youth set up for years. But they have not really developed as we would have liked. When was the last time we produced (either club in Hull) a genuine full international player who has had many years at the top and not just the odd season. In all that time though how many players have been like Tommy Lee (easy target) who will be the next best thing.
The coaching set up at the club has lurched from one disaster to another. There has been no great progression or development and with the current set up I personally have absolutely no faith that this current crop of talented youngsters will develop as we would all hope to see.
Given the situation with Crooks (whatever the speculation / facts are) it appears that we have had a dream team member plummet the depths very rapidly and that can not all be down to the player himself. Man management / welfare checks seem to be lacking. I stand to be corrected on this matter though.
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