It's not about him bossing games (for me, anyway). I just think he's a really average player. Though you could probably start that list with Sinfield and O'Loughlin.

Exactly.

Seemed as though he was determined to get Peacock,hope Green see's that Peacock is the benchmark for prop's,a good player to look up to.

Westerman's a bit soft imo. I think other forwards know this & target him as well. Flashy against lower sides when Hull are winning easily but goes missing when it gets tough. Talent's there, needs to man up a bit.

Westerman needs to learn to tackle properly first

Sinfield plays 6 and O'Loughlin doesn't 'boss' games at all.

He's been a 6 for the last 2 years, and he was the last of a dying breed before that. People need to realise that the old 13 role of dictating the play has gone and stop berating Westerman for not doing the very thing that nobody else does, either. No other back row forwards in SL are expected to control games by either their coaches or fans, it's a delusion exclusive to Hull fans purely because we paid a fee for him (which is irrelevant, btw). He works hard and looks dangerous when running out wide when we're on the front foot with a bit of speed in our play. In case anyone missed it, it was exactly this which got our only score on the board tonight. Of all the problems we had tonight, he's a fair way down the list.

That said, I would actually play him in the 2nd row, personally.

Ditto this.

well said carl

Completely correct. He created the only thing we did of any note tonight.

I don't think he is average, he just doesn't reach the unrealistic levels some demand of him because of the price tag. For me he's been one of our best forwards during the run-ins of the last 2 seasons, whilst playing 2nd row.

Sinfield plays 13 when Burrow switches to 7, and has bossed games from 13 throughout his career. O'Loughlin is far more influential than Westerman on the outcome of a game and the performance of his team. All of which is largely irrelevant because, as I said, I don't expect Westerman to boss games.

I'll say it again: I don't expect Westerman to boss games. I don't expect Westerman to boss games. I don't...

For the job he is expected to do, he's been average over the course of his time with us. He has some good games, some bad. But mostly average.

I don't think he is average, he just doesn't reach the unrealistic levels some demand of him because of the price tag. For me he's been one of our best forwards during the run-ins of the last 2 seasons, whilst playing 2nd row.'"