Right, our other back up 2nd rows. Competition is good. Stavely was great last week but Severs isn't fully fit yet. If those two move ahead of Lane in the pecking order then we are gonna need another scapegoat.

Hmm, not sure if that’s true or just a lazy analysis based on human nature. I would like to think and from the evidence of Carlos’s several years with us that he puts 100% in all the time. Hard to do when your calf muscle might ping at any time.

Exactly this, we can't be accepting mediocracy, maybe Lane had a better game than a few games last season, but he was still average at best, granted he made a lot of tackles against Warrington (mainly as he played hooker for a spell), but as you say, was responsible for the first try, in which he was tackling a 19 year old halfback. I want more from our forwards than a few tackles too, I want them to be making makes, making meters after contact and offloading, he has done none of these this season. Both him and Ockunbor are under pressure to perform.

People are saying that they're entitled to an opinion, and that's quite true. However Tony Smith is also entitled to an opinion and with all due respect his opinion is worth more than anyone on here.

Unfortunately Smith cam only pick a side from what he available, as it stands Lane will play, hopefully when we get some bodies back then Lane will be a squad player and gets in his he earms it based on performance.

Absolutely.

I would love to sit down with him and discuss what he sees and what he knows.

We don’t see players day in day out at training.

But I stand by the errors I have pointed out and my opinion that it is not good enough.

A couple of fans have said that he has been good in their opinion but that is being very generous as far as I’m concerned.

I have found myself being pretty critical of Lane, and it is justified in my opinion. He really hasn't kicked on from the promise he showed when he broke through, if anything he has regressed pretty badly. He made 50+ tackles on Friday, granted, but was at fault for two try's, and unfortunately that is a common theme for him. He is far too weak, and with being at the risk of been a bit brutal, is Championship fodder. Would much rather Staveley/Severs get a chance to show their worth.

But, what I will say about Lane, is that he is another example of the utterly shocking contracts we have handed out over recent seasons. For that the club only has itself to blame.

Walker
Russell
Mac
Litten
Martin
Hoy
Smith
Ashworth
Brown
J Brown
Sao
Oku
Staverly
Subs
Bullock
Gardiner
Houghton
Lane

Very well put

Quote: HU8HFC "I have found myself being pretty critical of Lane, and it is justified in my opinion. He really hasn't kicked on from the promise he showed when he broke through, if anything he has regressed pretty badly. He made 50+ tackles on Friday, granted, but was at fault for two try's, and unfortunately that is a common theme for him. He is far too weak, and with being at the risk of been a bit brutal, is Championship fodder. Would much rather Staveley/Severs get a chance to show their worth. But, what I will say about Lane, is that he is another example of the utterly shocking contracts we have handed out over recent seasons. For that the club only has itself to blame.'" With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571

Quote: HU8HFC "I have found myself being pretty critical of Lane, and it is justified in my opinion. He really hasn't kicked on from the promise he showed when he broke through, if anything he has regressed pretty badly. He made 50+ tackles on Friday, granted, but was at fault for two try's, and unfortunately that is a common theme for him. He is far too weak, and with being at the risk of been a bit brutal, is Championship fodder. Would much rather Staveley/Severs get a chance to show their worth. But, what I will say about Lane, is that he is another example of the utterly shocking contracts we have handed out over recent seasons. For that the club only has itself to blame.'" With hindsight. His extension was announced 2 years ago today, and a lot can change it that time. The initial reaction was positive on here, so it wasn’t an obvious ‘WTF?’ moment. viewtopic.php?f=34&t=637571

Not a bad shout, though I'd like to see Balmforth on the bench in place of Lane, should Houghton be passed fit he could go to 13 and Staveley in 2nd row with Sao moving to the front row. Also would give us the option of bringing Balmforth on and moving Brown to 13 to limit Houghtons minutes if possible.

Especialy Ockunbor
starting to look like another Kane Evans

Errors are only one part of the on field indicipline
Penalties and six agains are far higher on the list.
I have said this several times before but how many times do we finish a set in the opposition 10/20 then give away a penalty on the first or second tackle,then a six again or repeated six again followed by a try.
Our on field indiscipline is shocking and Smith has to take the blame for that as the coach.In fact looking at last season the indiscipline under Smith its getting worse.
Fans keep bleatiing on about how badly we are treated by referees and the disiplinary panel but Brown apart we have only ourselves to blame.
Until Smith sorts this out it hard to see apart fro London where we can pick up points as even Castleford look a far better team than we do

You was the one was saying we should be patient and give him a chance.

He's played two games in unfamiliar conditions and in a team that's played two halves with twelve men. Let's at least give him until firmer grounds are here.