Never understood where this arrogance that we should be winning super league every year has come from? Why shouldn't we be battling for the top 8? Because 40 years ago we were winning things consistently? Times change, see Bradford...

I am over the moon when we get to finals, and when we beat the big boys in big games. I love watching Hull play, its engrained into me! If that is accepting mediocrity, then fair enough! I'll still be there to watch the team, whatever league they play in. The thing I like about this new set up is the fact that now getting in the top 8 actually means something. Its exciting striving to stay up, and securing another year of playing the best teams in the country. We've got to 4 finals in the last 10 years, winning 1 of them. Yes its disappointing when we lose, but we move on.

I like it when you put in your dots, like the opening post on your ref thread.....

Let's start again Spegle. Deep, slow breaths. I'll put on a 'sounds of the ocean' cd, close your eyes and imagine yourself in your happy place (probably the mid-1980s).

Dots are ace....

Disappointing loss as if we'd just held the ball better we'd likely have won. That said we looked a bit disorganised again at the end of our sets - thought Cook's summing up of the game was pretty much spot on. Ellis was immense.

Great effort last night and very easily could have won. Pack went well and abdull proved again he can be very good. Sa is a centre as IMO needs to be running out wide and at times last night looked wiped out. Saying that his hits are awsome Michaels gives his all but eveytime a ball goes up looks vulnerable and seems not to be as quick as we believed. My last point is Yeaman. How the heck does he get picked last night he again was awfull. He offers nothing. Felt sorry for Michaels as he offers no protection on high kicks .needs to go IMO All in all good match last night and we defo going in right direction. COYH.

Ellis didn't hobble off and was absolutely immense last night. Put everything he had into the game and more and had nothing left in the end. One of the best forward performances you'll see in a SL game. But you crack on and criticise his contract arrangements.

I haven't taken exception, merely adding some balance. Go on any forum after any game and there will be fans who are happy and others who are not. Accepting a win as being the ultimate result achievable is to fail to strive to improve. Perhaps you live your life in mere contentment but not everyone does. Do you think the club don't assess every performance and look for improvements?

The use of the word "maybe" was paraphrasing you. My favourite word is cackamallababba but it didn't seem appropriate to use it

james clarke is my guess. Tries to be clever but really isn't

Came out of the KC with some optimism last night. If we can cut out the daft mistakes I think we could be turning the corner. No one can argue with the effort from the lads, Gareth Ellis was fantastic. I bet he aches a tad this morning!
Oh and the ref was rubbish, he made things harder for us but we lost the game on our own, Saints where there for the taking. (Their 1st try was vintage Saints though and a treat to watch)

Ellis was huge again. After the disallowed try he made four tackles in a row, leading by example and trying to keep our heads in it. He did look battered when he went off at the end though. I assume he spends hours after a game packed in ice, Sean Ryan style.

Glad I went last night. Two months ago we never looked like scoring and it was crushing our souls. Against Saints we never looked out of it and the crowd were back behind the team. I think we've turned a corner. We're still lost but we seem to be headed the right way.

Appreciate you vindicating my point....(dots added for effect).