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| Quote: Mild Rover "In fairness though, maybe 9th, winning roughly 10 games, would represent significant progress vs tQuote: Mild Rover "the clown car cataclysm of 2024.'" In one sense it’d be back to mucky kebab square one but you’ll be coming at it from the other direction, not dreaming of steak, just glad that it’s not workhouse gruel for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Given the first leg of the journey is going to be tough much of the time, I’d say your recruitment is going as well as Hull fans might reasonably have hoped so far. If you get 18+ games from Abdull, he’ll make a huge difference.'"
The title of the end of the season review is sorted.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "If they were on 12 month contracts I'd see the sense but 2 and 3 years? What sort of state will abdul be in 3 years hence? How many time will hardaker have been arrested by 2026?'"
I take your point, but I doubt they’d have signed on 12 month deals. Abdull has/had a contract with Rovers through 2026. There’d maybe be competition for Hardaker if Hull only offered 1 year.
While you you may not feel inspired, imagine how worried you’d be relying even more heavily on the 2024 squad going into 2025. Got to start somewhere.
It’ll be interesting to see how many new quota recruits Myler can make space for.
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| Quote: DSJ1983 "Let’s be honest these signings represent no better quality then the type of signings we’ve made in the years between 2018-2023, it’s bargain basement shopping of what’s available on a low budget. The stupidly long length of the contracts we are handing out for these players that nobody else would indicates that we are still struggling to compete financially. I’ll exclude 2024 from that as this seasons recruitment has to stand alone as the worst in the history of the sport, it will be better than that but hardly a high bar.
To be fair, Pearson did say that any investment will help add a couple of quality players to a squad of workman like players but that won’t be sorted until the end of the year. Maybe it will be sorted in time to add a bit of quality come season ticket renewal time? I still think we’ll be restricted by quota places, but hopefully Cartwright seems as better placed as anyone in the game to come up with a couple of gems.
I really hope we can come up with something exciting at season ticket time as we need it. I don’t think you can underestimate the damage that going a full season winning only 2 points against a part time outfit amongst years of dreadful home form is going to do to this club. 5K home crowds in a 25K stadium is going to make for a terrible atmosphere next season. Serving up some decent rugby with exciting players is the only way to start building again.'"
Hardraker is better than any of centres.
Abdul is better than the 4 scrumhalfs who have played there this year.
Holmes is better than all of our backrowers
Asista is better than any of our forwards
Borough is a wildcard, but I'd say he looks a better option offthe bench than we have now. Can't offer much less than ant of our current hookers.
Add in Satae, Whitehead and 3 quota players, maybe a domestic winger too and we are streets ahead of this season Nd that's without the off field changes.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Hardraker is better than any of centres.
Abdul is better than the 4 scrumhalfs who have played there this year.
Holmes is better than all of our backrowers
Asista is better than any of our forwards
Borough is a wildcard, but I'd say he looks a better option offthe bench than we have now. Can't offer much less than ant of our current hookers.
Add in Satae, Whitehead and 3 quota players, maybe a domestic winger too and we are streets ahead of this season Nd that's without the off field changes.'"
Also Martin, Charles, Staveley and a few others will be better with the game time they've had this season.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Hardraker is better than any of centres.
Abdul is better than the 4 scrumhalfs who have played there this year.
Holmes is better than all of our backrowers
Asista is better than any of our forwards
Borough is a wildcard, but I'd say he looks a better option offthe bench than we have now. Can't offer much less than ant of our current hookers.
Add in Satae, Whitehead and 3 quota players, maybe a domestic winger too and we are streets ahead of this season Nd that's without the off field changes.'"
Agree 100%. People saying we are bargain basement shopping and that we are not giving this any thought or showing ambition need a bit of a reality check in my opinion. The club is (hopefully!) at rock bottom. We can have all the thoughts and ambition in the world but if the players don't want to come to us because of our present state then we have to re-align those thoughts and ambitions, temper our expectations. We have to go with who is available and who is interested but that also comes with a cost in that we aren't in a position to sign anyone solely on our terms so we'll be forced into offering longer deals than we would like right now. But as long as they improve us then that's moving us in the right direction for better recruitment in the long term. And these signings we have made or are rumoured to have made improve us in my eyes even if they're not necessarily the most exciting of signings. I'm happy for the club to sign small improvements in the short term to build us up to something better in the long term.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Hardraker is better than any of centres.
Abdul is better than the 4 scrumhalfs who have played there this year.
Holmes is better than all of our backrowers
Asista is better than any of our forwards
Borough is a wildcard, but I'd say he looks a better option offthe bench than we have now. Can't offer much less than ant of our current hookers.
Add in Satae, Whitehead and 3 quota players, maybe a domestic winger too and we are streets ahead of this season Nd that's without the off field changes.'"
Having my hand chopped off is better than having my foot chopped off but doesn't mean I want either
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| We have to walk before we can run and it is possible to compete in this league with a team of solid journeymen, which is what we seem to be assembling right now.
Competing without being blown away is an improvement on our current situation and frankly I'll take it for a year or two after this dross.
It's a case or dealing with the how the world actually is rather than how I'd like it to be.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Having my hand chopped off is better than having my foot chopped off but doesn't mean I want either'"
What do you want the club to do, stick with the current players? Who else can we sign, no good moaning about signings with no realistic solutions.
Not easy to get players to move to Hull and looking at our current situation and the fact we didn't have a coach in place, would you choose us over Leigh, Salford or even Rovers, nevermore the likes of Wigan, Saints etc.
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| Quote: Dave K. "What do you want the club to do, stick with the current players? Who else can we sign, no good moaning about signings with no realistic solutions.
Not easy to get players to move to Hull and looking at our current situation and the fact we didn't have a coach in place, would you choose us over Leigh, Salford or even Rovers, nevermore the likes of Wigan, Saints etc.'"
Same as you, I have no idea who else is available as I don't have daily contact with agents. Its not my job to find players, it's down to myler and cartwright.
Players will sign for whoever offers the most money as asiata has.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Same as you, I have no idea who else is available as I don't have daily contact with agents. Its not my job to find players, it's down to myler and cartwright.
Players will sign for whoever offers the most money as asiata has.'"
Look at who others are signing, very little available here, a few available but they had all gone by the time Myler cane in and Cartwright has just been appointed.
The last line isn't true, we offered Clifford, Satae and Swift more money and they went, plenty of other examples too.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Look at who others are signing, very little available here, a few available but they had all gone by the time Myler cane in and Cartwright has just been appointed.
The last line isn't true, we offered Clifford, Satae and Swift more money and they went, plenty of other examples too.'"
clifford and swift went for personal reasons. satae looked around because we offered him a pittance first up. By the time we upped our offer he'd already agreed to join les cats. On the whole, players will sign for money. If finances are similar they'll take other factors into account.
Maybe these players are all that is available in which case fair enough but I'm just bored of watching garbage so unless I see a real prospect of us being any good I won't renew my pass. It's not as if I won't be able to get into games if things do improve.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Look at who others are signing, very little available here, a few available but they had all gone by the time Myler cane in and Cartwright has just been appointed.
The last line isn't true, we offered Clifford, Satae and Swift more money and they went, plenty of other examples too.'"
I forgot to say that rovers are signing davies, wakey have signed johnstone and mcmeeken, salford signed marsters, all of who are way better than the players we've signed so far in those positions
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "clifford and swift went for personal reasons. satae looked around because we offered him a pittance first up. By the time we upped our offer he'd already agreed to join les cats. On the whole, players will sign for money. If finances are similar they'll take other factors into account.
Maybe these players are all that is available in which case fair enough but I'm just bored of watching garbage so unless I see a real prospect of us being any good I won't renew my pass. It's not as if I won't be able to get into games if things do improve.'"
Our target next season is to improve, aim or around 8th, the only way to do that is to sign better players than we have, which we are doing.
Recruitment isn't finished, I'd bet we sign at least another 6 on top of those done deals.
Add in a better coach amd hopefully other off field appointments, should see us moving in the right direction, but it isn't a quick fix.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I forgot to say that rovers are signing davies, wakey have signed johnstone and mcmeeken, salford signed marsters, all of who are way better than the players we've signed so far in those positions'"
Davies,Johnstone and Mcmeekens deals was well known before Myler came on board with the money we now seem to have and Pearson wasn’t going to stump up that money so can’t blame Myler for not getting them…..we was behind the pack on recruitment when Myler came in and in that short period we have signed or got on loan for this season and beyond 4 players and another 4 for next season and beyond plus a new coach…we aren’t doing badly.
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| Quote: Roam Ranger "Agree 100%. People saying we are bargain basement shopping and that we are not giving this any thought or showing ambition need a bit of a reality check in my opinion. The club is (hopefully!) at rock bottom. We can have all the thoughts and ambition in the world but if the players don't want to come to us because of our present state then we have to re-align those thoughts and ambitions, temper our expectations. We have to go with who is available and who is interested but that also comes with a cost in that we aren't in a position to sign anyone solely on our terms so we'll be forced into offering longer deals than we would like right now. But as long as they improve us then that's moving us in the right direction for better recruitment in the long term. And these signings we have made or are rumoured to have made improve us in my eyes even if they're not necessarily the most exciting of signings. I'm happy for the club to sign small improvements in the short term to build us up to something better in the long term.'"
Who said players dont want to come to us?
Keep hearing this but who has said they dont want to come to Hull FC because they are bottom of the League
I understand its more difficult for Lancs based players to travel but Asiata is coming.
You have to sell and promote the club
This build us up to something better in the long term is nonsense.Fans want to be entertained and watch fast and exciting R/L by quality players not sit there season after season saying the same thing.
If you continue to bargain basement shop then we will be building forever.
If the investment money is available The new owner should go all in and get the new coach finding four top quality overseas players in the positions we need not this filler here and there approach
The lack of pace in what we see coming in next season and what we already have is disturbing to say the least.
Make four or five quota spots available,offload some of the deadwood including some of the younger players like Litten,Gardiner and Laidlaw who are destined for Championship level R/L and give Cartwright the chance to bring in his own assistant
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