This is the bit I don't get - [ihas[/i Agar completely changed his tune, despite 3 seasons of this and being adamant that 3 props is best at fan's forums etc?

If Agar is bending under the force of pressure, why haven't we seen more of Washy at 13 - or seen Whiting tried there - when the going was tough and we were screaming for another pivot?

This is a massive u-turn for Agar and I hope it's happening and we see Westerman at 13. But the fact that the Hull FC article describes him as a "loose forward, come stand off" and with the 'paper' version of the Mail stating "A loose forward who has on occasions played stand-off, where Westerman fits into Agar's plans is yet unknown, with Hull already boasting Fitzgibbon and Richard Horne in his two positions" I do wonder.

We're all expecting the signing of a "back-up half", perhaps Westerman is earmarked [ias[/i the new half with Horney becoming the back-up.

Unlikely, I know, but nothing would surprise me with Hull, and this would allow Agar to stick to his "3 prop" guns.

From a Cas point of view I wouldn't be bothered if Westerman had been released from the final year of his contract to join you, he has been very poor for the last two years. To get even 100k (let alone the 175k you have apparently paid) for a player who has be average at best for two years and could have left for nothing in a year is fantastic business.
As a Cas lad, I would love it if Joe could fulfil some of his early promise and go on to be international quality. Unfortunately, he just doesn't seem to have the work-ethic to do so.

The best thing about this signing is that we can play a 13 instead of a second rower / prop at 13. Its a great move for more positive rugby. I think 150k is quite a lot of cash, but a good investment I think.

I know that webbo has been in aus, so maybe sounding out players for this season, or even for 2012. Got to start looking at our big signings we need to make then, when Long, Berro and Fitz go. For that reason as well, its a good player to bring in now.

Good work, am feeling pretty happy now!

So isn't the next 5 or 6 years in the future then???????????

By the way, it's 175k, not 150k. Three offers were made over the last few weeks, firstly 125k+Tansey, then 150k which was rejected and then 175k which was obviously accepted.

Could we have moved Whiting to 13 and got a similar result without the spend?

You a fly on the Boardroom wall?

And you know this because........

Totally agree. The one thing we really can't afford is to let Tansey off with any future misbehaviour. Hopefully it won't be an issue, but if there is any further disciplinary problems from him, it's essential we get rid.

No, I am Richard Wright.
Only joking, but I do have a close family contact at the club.

(Unless Westerman's for 6)

Although Agar's direct quote is "Joe is one of, if not, the most talented and naturally gifted young forwards in the British game”and the FC website article says: "The relationship with Fitzgibbon could also prove a fruitful one for Hull, with arguably the games most talented young No. 13 learning from one of the all time greats", so hopefully he'll be at LF. I personally think if Agar intends to play him at 13 they should make a big deal out of it and talk about our change of formation to try and deliver more points. Passholders who are wavering might be convinced to renew with a statement of intent at least.