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sorting fitness, attitude and defence are the basics which should be achievable. The club also need to get ruthless with any who don't toe the line. It's the only way we'll improve relatively quickly. How can a group of player who outscored salford away in terms of tries scored then roll over at home against them?

I've heard some stories about a drinking culture at the club this season with some of the new recruits being major protagonists - they've pretty much gone now so hopefully less of an issue. But we need a culture where players want to be the best they can and we haven't had that for some time.

Attitude and culture go a long way in this game where margins are slim between good and bad. I don't expect` us to be great but if we don't see major improvements in the basics we'll slip into the abyss as fans have had enough

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Not going to make any position targets because right now I can only see me setting myself up for disappointment.

For me, I want to see us getting our fitness and conditioning sorted. We have not looked right since game one this season and it's just gotten worse for the most part. In Cartwright we seem to have gotten a coach that really wants to put emphasis on this area and it sounds like we are getting a backroom team in place that will aid him. Should also get the injury list down too.

I want to see an improvement in attitude/culture/whatever you want to call it. It won't matter how fit or conditioned the team is if they don't have the right mentality. You can tell most games within the first minute or so if Hull have some fight in them and the answer is that they don't. Let's get competing again and make sure our opponents know they're in for a game whenever they play against us. Whilst I am not exactly excited about our signings for next year, I do believe that they will bring a sense of professionalism to the club that has been lacking for some time and that should translate to better performances on the pitch. I just want to know that win or lose, we gave it our all every game instead of folding like a pack of cards in most games.

Finally, keep giving the youngsters opportunities but balancing that out better than this year where they have been flogged to death. I am incredibly proud of the likes of Moy, Martin, Charles etc this year but they need taking out of the firing line and protecting to aid their development.

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Improving to 8th-10th but I'm going to say this for about the 10th year in a row...winning games in August and September.

Had we started this season badly but then won a game or two the last few weeks we'd still be down but there would be a feeling things are getting better. Instead every year without fail we fall apart over the summer.

The next thing is the squad management, I'd hope we've seen the end of paying off players early and are instead evolving the squad at the end of contracts like sensible clubs do.

The other thing that can cheer us up is a cup run, even a day out at a Semi would feel like the promised land right now.

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7TH/8TH for me, above Wakefield, Castleford, Huddersfield and maybe Salford or Leeds, more consistency and fitness.

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For me, as well as those views previously posted, I want a captain who's not afraid to kick a'ses when its needed. Watching this group standing behind the posts, there doesn't appear to be anyone giving them a hard time. Lets hope JC appoints the right leader.

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Quote: Dave K. "Lots of talk about recruitment on and off the field, some people happy, some ok and some disappointed, I'm probably in the Ok bracket, was hoping when Myler was announced would be better, but it hasn't quite worked out, not from trying and add in Lam, Whitehead into our side, would change the whole dynamics of the squad. But can see the reasons recruitment hasn't gone exactly as I hoped.

So what are the realistic targets for next year, for me there are three.

Avoid the big defeats on a regular basis, it's been 4 plus years now of regular 50 point defeats, games regularly over after 20 minutes.
Finish the season with some positive results (our August, September results over the last few years speak for themself)
Aim to finish as high as possible, I think a realistic target for this is 9th (above Cas, Wakey and Hudds), not sure with this squad it could be much higher, unless we have some real luck with injuries and Cartwright proves to be a coach who can improve players hugely.'"

Can't wait for Mr Positive's contribution.

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competitive....no more blow out scores

commitment...players not giving up once they go a couple of scores down

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The new coach and back-room staff have to be the biggest appointments. The alarming thing this year is even if we were 20% better than we have been that only equates to 1.2 extra points on the table icon_smile.gif

Next year we go with a better coach, better backroom and for me an improved squad with better characters.

I think we'll improve from god-awful to average; which is quite a leap. As improved as the squad will be, it won't see us leap frog many. I'd say 7th would represent a great season, but 8th/9th a realistic hope.

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Quote: Dave K. "Judging my the amount of people posting it's just you.'"


Snowflake woke man

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I'll echo what most people have said.
Think it's disrespectful to Wakefield Hudds and Cas that we'll finish above them.
Wakefield have recruited well so far and like us Huddersfield are an unknown and will be thinking like most fans on here. We're bottom for a reason and it will take a lot of work and effort before we can say who'll we'll finish above. There's no devine right.
For me the first realistic target has to be the retention of pass holders and sponsors after this dross .

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Quote: Tarquin Fuego "Snowflake woke man'"


I'm not even sure you understand what that means.

Your the one crying about it.

Someone can't handle the truth.

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Quote: Bombed Out "I'll echo what most people have said.
Think it's disrespectful to Wakefield Hudds and Cas that we'll finish above them.
Wakefield have recruited well so far and like us Huddersfield are an unknown and will be thinking like most fans on here. We're bottom for a reason and it will take a lot of work and effort before we can say who'll we'll finish above. There's no devine right.
For me the first realistic target has to be the retention of pass holders and sponsors after this dross .'"


I don't anyone is saying we will definitely finish above those and I wouldn't be massively shocked if any of them finish above us next year, but these are clubs we certainly could finish above looking at their squads and coaching.

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Quote: Bombed Out "I'll echo what most people have said.
Think it's disrespectful to Wakefield Hudds and Cas that we'll finish above them.
Wakefield have recruited well so far and like us Huddersfield are an unknown and will be thinking like most fans on here. We're bottom for a reason and it will take a lot of work and effort before we can say who'll we'll finish above. There's no devine right.
For me the first realistic target has to be the retention of pass holders and sponsors after this dross .'"


Nothing wrong with having aspirations no matter how low the bar is set. All clubs and fans set goals. Not sure there's any disrespect in hoping we are better next season. eusa_think.gif

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Don’t care if we lose every game (okay I do a bit), just want to see the lads dig in and fight for eachother and the badge. No more blowout scores. Small victories like winning a half and not conceding in first 10/20/30 is where we need to start building some confidence. This is what Grix should have been seeing to.

I remember when Gentle came in, one of the things that came out was how far behind the rest of the league we were on the S&C side of things, don’t think that’s ever really changed and we are paying the price. Cartwright talks the talk and I’m desperate for him to back it up with action. I sincerely hope anyone who doesn’t want to do the graft in pre-season is sent packing.

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Pretty sure it will be a 4 horse race for the bottom 4 places. Hull, Castleford, Wakefield and Huddersfield.

1. Hull KR
2. Wigan
3. St Helens
4. Warrington
5. Catalan
6. Leeds
7. Leigh
8. Salford
9. Huddersfield
10. Wakefield
11/12. Castleford or Hull FC

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