I agree with that, it's crazy

Problem is agar was the site foreman

So you would prefer an unproven youngster and someone who is not considered a regular starter over 2 England internationals?
Agar has been a constant and do you believe he would have had no input into any recruitment process?
Yes Agar has routed out the trouble causers but he has still not addressed the balance of the squad which are clearly within his grasp and could have been achieved over the last 2 seasons imo, I'm not saying with marquee signings though.
And I'll think you find no-one is expecting to win every game but would like us to be more competitive and entertaining, not a lot to ask for. And yes we should be challenging for silverware every season because we are a big club and was well expected to break the big 4 dominance but all that has happened is we have let other clubs overtake us and have become another club in the league like wakefield and cas.
You seem to resort to childish comments or put downs yourself I notice when people dare to challenge your opinion. And just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them un-realistic.

I don't have a problem in people having the opinion that they don't think Agar is the man to sort it out. That's fair enough, I happen to think differently. It's when they fail to accept that the squad he inherited was pi$$ poor, then expect it to be challenging after 2 off seasons.

You're kidding right?

I think you'll find it wasn't me that started the "put downs" HTH.

The people I'm replying to are of the view that we should be challenging year in year out because we're a big club. I think rebuilding the squad takes longer than 2 seasons.

I get really fed up of people making apologies for Agar, he is tactically inept, we all know that from the tripe FC have served up under his "leadership", maybe the squad he inherited was poor, but he has had more than long enough to address that.

Hull FC will go nowhere whilst we have the old boys network coaching at every level, it's high time for a total clear out, we've progressed commercially but not in terms of professionalism on the rugby and coaching side.

Answer me this, if Agar got booted tomorrow who would sign him up?

I think he was, they also have Grix who can slot in at 6.

It may have been p1$$ poor, but the core of the squad is still here and every one of the players in the current squad has signed a contract since agar took over. He's the one who signed 2 injury prone 1/2 backs and then hides behind their lack of games as an excuse.

He's had ample opportunity to address the problems but hasn't

The real issue isn't clearing out players and getting new ones in, it's what you do with the players you have available. A good coach ends up with a team which is better than the sum of it's parts. With afar, the team performance is always less than you'd expect with the players available. His philosophy is safety first (as was the mentality of his 2 coaching mentors) which will neither entertain the crowd or make the team truly competitive.

Other than changing a few players and almost getting us back to where we were in the league before he took over, what do you think he has really achieved in his near 3 seasons in charge?

No top class coach would work with the current regime

More to the point, if Agar was booted out tomorrow who would replace him?

What's the betting Webster would get the job at least until the end of the season? If he said no they might even offer it to Andy Last but he would turn it down.

Promoting from within may have worked for Liverpool FC but not for Hull FC. When Agar goes his replacement should be someone from outside the club.

I did not say you started it but just find it ridiculous people resort to put downs.
How long do you think it takes to re assemble the squad because whilst there is such apathy Agar can hide behind that excuse.
I know some folk bang on about wigan, hudds and warrington but they really are cases in point. A change and improvement in coach really does make a difference.
As stevo alluded to on sky sports maguire's knowledge and contacts have helped attract 3 top names to their squad and he can't see past them again to retain their crown.
We get phelps, not knocking him, trotting out the I came here to win silverware bollox. He was a last minute panic signing nothing else.

I think this is a very big season for Agar, for me he needs to improve on last years position, 6th....I think we are capable of top 4 spot, however with such a skinny squad a lot will depend on injuries. If he fails this season the h/back/injury excuses will definaltey not wash with me.

I also had a look at their squad and noticed something about their quota,
theres not much difference in the quailty of recruitment but they have all backs and until this week we have all forwards.

O'Meley - Hodgson
Fitzgibbon - King
Lauaki - J.Monaghan
Moa - M.Monaghan
Phelps - Free spot