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Probably worst I’ve seen Kelly play. Should have gone off far sooner.

Fash proving the doubters wrong but getting bagged anyway. Don’t understand what else he can do when he’s making yards, bumping players off, has the quickest ptb of the forwards, and tackles everything.

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we desperately need some size and aggression in the forwards and anyone who thinks fash and lane are better options than green and hadley need to give their heads a bang. Both should have played saturday IMO

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Quote: the cal train "Probably worst I’ve seen Kelly play. Should have gone off far sooner.

Fash proving the doubters wrong but getting bagged anyway. Don’t understand what else he can do when he’s making yards, bumping players off, has the quickest ptb of the forwards, and tackles everything.'"


6 carries for 26m plus the error which likely cost us the game. Completely ineffective at this level.

Agree about kelly though

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apart from the silly offload, I thought Fash had a good game and Masi did well after being out so long. Fash will offer better value for money than Green, who is out injured too much and is inconsistent. People must watch a different Hadley to me, he offers very little going forward rarely wins the collinson and never breaks a tackle.

Bit unlucky at times, didn't think the ref had a bad game, but a lot of 50/50's didn't go our way, with another ref, there could have been 2 sin bins, no 8 point try and Tommy L would have been called back for a knock on.

Completion rate lost us the game, thought we looked better with Connor at 6, but the pivots are firing and Shaul at FB is a massive issue that needs addressing.

Massive credit to Wigans defence.

Still on the hunt for top 3 with 5 to go which is very pleasing.

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Radford has a big decision to make at full back. Shaul as the 3rd pivot hasn’t improved in years of trying. In the opposition 20 the ball gets to him round the back and he just jumps on the spot not knowing what to do. We would be much more of an attaching threat with Connor 1 Kelly 6 Sneyd 7.

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Masi tried hard, and was the only real grafter apart from Tag.

That's what kiiled us in the semi and killed us again. Our pack is basically unable to graft the hard yards.

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Quote: TrevLovesJanice "Masi tried hard, and was the only real grafter apart from Tag.

That's what kiiled us in the semi and killed us again. Our pack is basically unable to graft the hard yards.'"


The thing with our forwards is we don’t have any aggression whatsoever. Sneyd needed protecting last night against Isa (massive grub) yet nobody was interested. Wigans forwards just bullied ours.

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Quote: Superbowl Scott "Radford has a big decision to make at full back. Shaul as the 3rd pivot hasn’t improved in years of trying. In the opposition 20 the ball gets to him round the back and he just jumps on the spot not knowing what to do. We would be much more of an attaching threat with Connor 1 Kelly 6 Sneyd 7.'"

I accept what you say about Shaul, but in all honesty he isn't the problem. The real problem is actually with the halves themselves they supply poor quality service most of the time. When did they as a pair have a really good game, I can't recall one.

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Quote: Superbowl Scott "The thing with our forwards is we don’t have any aggression whatsoever. Sneyd needed protecting last night against Isa (massive grub) yet nobody was interested. Wigans forwards just bullied ours.'"


Completely agree,said last night on the Sneyd incident, Isa just walked away.None of our forwards in his face.I am not saying someone should have smacked him but we don't have an enforcer in the team anymore.As you say other teams seem to bully us.Perhaps Mau will change that next season.Can you imagine if Greenhill or Ogre(of recent times)had been on pitch,Isa would have been very sore by the end of the game.

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Im agreeing with you dave k about green and hadley

Lane put some good hits in last night, see how he stopped Clubb on the line, saved a try with a solid hit yet gets slated.

Green isnt busy enough think i saw him do one decent run, yet still some say he played well

Problem is keeping our props busy, seems when Taylor goes off we have a habit off just trying to shift it out wide instead of utilising the interchange props more.

Missed Paea and Bowden, but surely something needs tinkering with why arnt we using the props more, id be interested to see the number of carries and metres made by our pack

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Our pack is our biggest weakness this season.
They can’t get us going forward to lay a platform.

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Quote: Smiggs "I accept what you say about Shaul, but in all honesty he isn't the problem. The real problem is actually with the halves themselves they supply poor quality service most of the time. When did they as a pair have a really good game, I can't recall one.'"


I agree about Kelly and Sneyd I can’t remember either. I just think every time the ball gets to Shaul in the opposition 20 we just stop. A few times last night we had a 3 on 2 and Shaul jumped on the spot and not making a decision. When was the last good game he had? The only thing Shaul has over Connor is speed imo. Our attacking options would improve massively with Connor, Kelly and Sneyd as pivots. Connor on the edges with ball in hand always looks dangerous.

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My concern for next year with the improved personnel, is that we still don't have the ability to break sides down, unless it is with brute strength. A drop off to Manu Ma'u will be the same as a drop off to Sika Manu. Having Fonua and Connor/Carlos as centres will be negated by having Shaul as the supplier to them - big decision needs making with him

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Shaul wouldn’t get into any other SL side on current form. He’s been quiet since about 2016 save a few dummy half scoots. When was the last time he even successfully supported a line break?

Unfortunately he’s Radford’s best mate.

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Shaul not the problem, he does support thru the middle, repeatedly.

BUT he is the only one who does & our pack aren't blessed with offload ability, my hope is next years pack will not only be bigger & stronger but also much more skilful.

His defence was very good last night in all areas. Sadly Faraimo the weak link in defence, both under the high ball & in the frequency we concede walk ins on his wing. Not sure his decision making or those inside him ? but yesterdays try carbon copy of the two Briscoe tries at Leeds. Needs fixing !!!!

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