Like Salford did you mean?

Oh, hang on...

We go on about saints missing players yet we had three fullbacks ,three hookers and at one point had no props on the field against a saints pack which is seen by many as the best in SL. Again we see fans making excuses for the opposition because we won?? it it so hard to give our players any credit at all?I agree our offence is lacking and it must improve but fans forget we have no Sneyd and a full back at 7.I have said before when you have players like Pryce who has played with the best and coached by the best it would be wrong to think he has no say in the way we play ,if you think the coach of any club does not take on board ides from senior players who have done it bought the t shirt then you are mistaken.For some reason we are not firing and for me its not through lack of skill its players taking the wrong options.In defence we are well organised and do what we have to in offence we panic and there for me lies the problem. As for having a full strength side to beat Sheffield it shows how some make comments just to get at Radford..its getting boring

In fairness, we were missing two of our most creative players (Sneyd and Westy) and lost the last (Pryce) early on. Having Rankin, Sa and Yeaman as our pivots was never going to unleash a storm of exciting, creative play.

I do think that too much is being made of how poor/inexperienced Saints were. We were pretty much bare-bones ourselves. We beat Widnes fair and square - interceptions are part of the game and Lineham played for both of his.

We'll see next week whether we're improving or not. Frankly I'm just happy that we're winning games. I agree regarding Radford but I still hope he can turn things around because, frankly, we aren't going to get anyone else in place in time to make a difference to our season.

I disagree with your last point. I think we could bring someone in to work on our attack and improve pretty quickly. We're not far away from being very competitive in this league and a small improvement on attack would make all the difference

I was factoring in the intransigence shown by Pearson. I think it will take so long for him to make a move that anyone brought in would already be in an untenable position.

I am somewhat baffled,by Pearson/Radford not appointing an attack coach.

We see no improvement in execution in attack, week in week out,we are a poorly coached team in this area of the game.

Leigh, who play great attacking RL ,can do it,(but in their own half is suicide) make no mistake we will struggle, against any well organised defence.

Anyone know what Lee Crooks is doing at the games regularly with Adam?

Totally agree.

Radford isn't the complete clueless idiot I thought he was, probably around this time last year. Our defence is decent and he's getting an awful lot of effort out of the lads. We make good yards and regularly get the better of the field position to kill teams off.

Unfortunately, as far as our attack goes, he is a clueless idiot. I'd like to see someone brought in on the coaching staff specifically to work with the attack. I'd also like to see our players be a little bit smarter too.

You see Bumpy, it's things like this which make it pretty difficult for people to care about your opinion. If your arguments aren't balanced, nobody will give a damn.

You're looking at players out for both teams, yet only mention four for Hull FC as they "should be in the 17 by rights". That game we had seven out; Sneyd, Ellis, Watts, Yeaman, Sa, Whiting & Green out. The same number as Saints.

In the Saints game it wasn't so much the players they had out as the turnaround.

We played in a fairly slow, dour game on Thursday. They played in a brutal game on the Friday. When you are backing up so quickly that extra day is a big factor. It's not a case of making up excuses why we won, it's being realistic. It's a game we should have won, and we did. So whilst it's a tick in the box it's nothing to crow about. The same goes for Widnes and Sheffield.

If we beat Huddersfield and Salford and start to show a bit more creative threat, then I will give some credit. At the moment we have scraped some results but shown no sign of our performances improving. I hope I'm wrong but I think Hudderfield's defence will be too organised for us and we'll lose yet another tight low scoring game. Even if Sneyd is back I just don't see where our points are coming from.

We desperately desperately need somebody to come in and sort our (lack of) attack out.

Look at the tries we score - intercepts from the flying pig and barges over from short range. Just occasionally we will get a great solo effort (Rankin and Shaul i'm looking at you) but how often do we see a breathtaking team move with lots of pairs of fast hands and dummy runners?

And why oh why (like yesterday) do we persevere with a chip on the last tackle to what looks like the best catcher on the field? The one who also has a great step and makes yards and yards on their return?

Agree with the above, Surely Radford and AP can see what we are seeing, I don't think we are far away from being a really good side and a couple of improvements to our basic play would make a massive difference. It would really benefit Radford if he brought someone in to help him keep his job. There must be plenty of people that would come here from England or the NRL who could improve our attack.

Watching the Leigh game on Saturday, I was really jealous of their attaching structures and plays.

Spot on Dave.

The attack coach should've been in situ pre-season, I did hear we approached Cooke & Monaghan, but both failed to materialise....

The likes of Wigan,Saints,Warrington & Huddersfield & Castleford have Deacon,Long,Briers,Thorman,Orr & Sheridan, as ex HB's, as their Attack coaches.

At this time of the season, it would be not easy to appoint anyone,
however (not everyone's cup of tea) I have seen Bobbie Goulding would be willing to coach our attack, he said "Basically, its a lot of repetitive catch & pass drills, but importantly it has to be coached under duress and at speed"

Hutchie also indicated Radford/Last, removed the idea of Gentle, who trained the players under duress in attack, this is why we are getting closed down so quickly.

Our defence is pretty solid, with a different approach in attack preperation,we could go a long way this season..

Radders has got the players giving their all every game. In defence despite at times looking disorganised they scramble and are desperate to keep teams out. Our on the line defence is at times amazing but it has to be because we get busted by the better teams further up field. It's a wonder they have any energy left at times. When fatigue does kick in then we're vulnerable and players make mistakes. As others have said maybe we'll start to get some organisation and cohesion in place but why that should suddenly happen is difficult to see unless something changes in the coaching methods or personnel.

IF we stretched the opposition in defence more, i.e the opposition
would be more fatigued, but if we persevere with one man barges,
the opposition would be less fatigued,& their confidence would increase
due to a lack of pressure.