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| Blokes who go out on the and get 'nasty' with women are a scourge on society and a disgrace to the name of Hull FC. We are a family club and ask a lot of the player's wives what they think of what obviously happened.
I am no fan of his actions and yes he was found guilty
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| Murderers, Rapists & Paedophiles don't deserve a 2nd chance.
He did something that was cowardly and stupid, but to not give him a second chance is wrong IMO.
Don't think the club need to be 'publicly' seen to be doing anything either, I'm sure he'll be dealt with in-house. Just because AP may have remarked that he was treat harshly, doesn't mean he doesn't think he's an idiot in the first place.
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "
Don't think the club need to be 'publicly' seen to be doing anything either, I'm sure he'll be dealt with in-house. Just because AP may have remarked that he was treat harshly, doesn't mean he doesn't think he's an idiot in the first place.'"
I disagree, it sends a message out to the players or employees of this club that your ok to break the law once but you must behave afterwards. This was a big chance for Pearson IMO to show under his ownership the club has gone more professional and he has failed IMO.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I disagree, it sends a message out to the players or employees of this club that your ok to break the law once but you must behave afterwards. This was a big chance for Pearson IMO to show under his ownership the club has gone more professional and he has failed IMO.'"
you failed to read what the poster had said...'publicly' was the operative word. What goes on behind closed doors is down to FC, I for one do not think it sends the wrong message out in any case, that is what some people may think and they are entitled to their POV.
I think it says that AP isn't Draconian and can take a viewpoint that whilst (in the eyes of the law..which never gets anything wrong ever... ) a big mistake has being made, to cast away a young lad after making that mistake isn't the wholly right thing to do.
Whilst I'd never condone striking another without just cause this case isn't the worst crime ever committed, not by a long stretch (gauging by the judges sentence) .
The amount of vitriol on this forum is incredible, there's no thought of reform, there's no 2nd chance, there's no understanding that by binning someone off at the first sign of trouble it doesn't have a detrimental impact that ranges farther than one can deem imaginable. I imagine how perfect those whom are ready to sack Crookes off, that they are incapable of making mistakes....
I'm not saying Crookes isn't guilty, however the judges one sided, impartial (bigotted) comments spoke volumes to me, judges are very fallible, just as other humans are.
IF the club decide to keep him I hope that he is given guidance to try to ensure he doesn't step of the mark again
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| Quote: frepneyboy "Tubby Travis Bickle would probably miss being 5'3" 17 stone
I still wonder what Miller said to him about his lass "back home"
I'm please Briscoe repeated it too'"
What have I missed? Is that what wound up Burns?
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "you failed to read what the poster had said...'publicly' was the operative word. What goes on behind closed doors is down to FC, I for one do not think it sends the wrong message out in any case, that is what some people may think and they are entitled to their POV.
I think it says that AP isn't Draconian and can take a viewpoint that whilst (in the eyes of the law..which never gets anything wrong ever...
I never failed to read it, I just don't see how the club could deal with something like this internally.
We all make mistakes, me more then anybody. I go out drinking alot and have never had a fight whilst doing so. I don't think the judge is bigoted and even if he was your asking for trouble the minute you hit a women.
The fact of the matter is he would have got away with it if he hadn't of had a picture taken and I get the impression he only started to show some sort of remorse once he thought his career was on the line.
I have a sister who has being a victim of this in the past and its not very nice. If he didn't play for Hull FC I reckon alot of you would have different opinions. You all slated Travis Burns and Ryan Bailey in the past for much less.
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| To sack him would be harsh, relative to what has happened elsewhere. Cas kept their punishment of Richard Owen in house, when he smacked Santa. They did say though that its severity, reflected how seriously they took the incident. A suspension would have looked a bit hollow in the off season. As indeed would one for Jason Crookes while both Lineham and Briscoe were fit. Events have conspired to flip that and now the absence of a suspension looks bad. Giving him a suspension if he hadn't initially intended to, to appear strong, would actually be weak - and cutting his nose off. AP's quotes read like a slightly panicked and embarrassed attempt to bluff his way through an unfortunate set of circumstances, to me. As those circumstances were not of his making, I have some sympathy - tricky situation.
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| Quote: pmarrow "I never failed to read it, I just don't see how the club could deal with something like this internally.'"
Why? He may have already been punished earlier in the season.
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| I'm sure that once he had been charged, a conversation would have taken place at the club and a decision made as to the action to be taken should he be found guilty. Adam has said his piece, Jason is going nowhere and its now up to the fans to put this behind them and get back to giving all the players their support.
This does not mean that I, in any way, condone what happened.
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| It's all well and good comparing punisments for different plays but every case is individual. Something to me seems like there is more to the case than is in the public eye which is why we can't be too quick to judge. I also think we we NEVER know the full facts as reporters can only fill a certain amount of newspaper inches with a story so can only pick out little pieces of the case summary that is often sensationalised. Let me make it clear i do not condone anything like this, i just think every case is individual and should not be treated with a blanket punishment
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| Wonder what you fc fans would have said if it was a rovers player,would you still be trying to find a way of defending him ?
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| Quote: deslawson "Wonder what you fc fans would have said if it was a rovers player,would you still be trying to find a way of defending him ?'"
Not this one,I'd have got rid
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| Quote: deslawson "Wonder what you fc fans would have said if it was a rovers player,would you still be trying to find a way of defending him ?'"
I don't think it's a case of defending him. I think it's a case of trying to treat the situation as an individual case. If it was a rovers player we would be on your forum stirring it with the biggest spoon possible but if we took a step back and took the fact he was a rovers player out of it then we would come to a sensible and reasoned conclusion....just maybe not publicly
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| Quote: deslawson "Wonder what you fc fans would have said if it was a rovers player,would you still be trying to find a way of defending him ?'"
I don't think anyone on here is defending him. Some are saying he should be sacked, some are saying he shouldn't, but no-one is defending him.
What will you say when it next happens to a Rovers player (and it will)?
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| Quote: deslawson "Wonder what you fc fans would have said if it was a rovers player,would you still be trying to find a way of defending him ?'"
Perhaps if you took your Dobbins glasses off and actually read what people are saying, you would see that most people are actually condemning him for what happened, rather than defending him.
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