He did at the start of the season. There's been a lot of changes and it's ongoing. We're well and truly in transition. I need to see some top quality signings from this gang of 6 to be convinced that the transition has an end to it. I'll say now it's a 3 year job and this is year 1. There aren't enough available players at the right standard to do it any quicker than that.

The new coach is no better than the last one?

I think he is but IMO he should be getting more out of the players he has

it's not the ability of the players Dobbo, it's the attitude, every team has average players but we have too many of them who can't be d, week in week out. Those who gave it good effort at the beginning of the season now look too tired and burnt out to keep it up ie Lynch, Houghton, and Horne, and a few others.

I agree it will take time, but we should still be doing better than we are now. Catalan away was always going to be a tough fixture, but losing to Rovers, Wakefield, Salford etc are very poor results.

Of course it's the ability of the players.

Are we crap though ?

We have lost to Catalan, Leeds and Warrington in recent weeks who even with a full strength side we would have to have been at our best to get the win and hope they were having a off day in all honesty.

It's both ability and attitude.

Ability is not great in some and the attitude almost across the board stinks.

Throwing away a win at the Magic Weekend and at Wakefield were shocking results, and we have slipped back in all areas over the last few months. Our attack is poor, our defence porous, and the pack light and ineffective. There must be a massive improvement before the end of the season or there will be another dip in season pass sales.

it's a factor, but lack of team spirit and drive is the biggest one imo

Totally agree. They have better players than us. We are 7th or 8th finishers at best. Our so-called better players like Westerman, Seymour, Yeaman etc. don't play well enough or match their reputations.

I'll agree with it being a mix but ability will win out in the end every time. Otherwise a well motivated championship side would be able to compete with a top SL side every day of the week and obviously they can't.

He should be doing better, no doubt at all.

Really poor performance, was a comedy of errors at times. Stupid offloads, not switched on, awful scrambling defence. Puzzling thing for me is how we can go from a team drawing with Wire, beating Saints and beating Leeds, to losing the plot and coming right off the rails?

However, I am a particularly positive looking supporter and I am confident we will improve under Gentle and Pearson. Was always going to be a transitional season for us.

Our better players have rarely played well this season, even when we were doing OK earlier in the year. I don't know what the problem is, but we seem to coast through games. Big issues for gentle to sort out. Need to get better at controlling the ruck, need to see some dummy runners causing problems for defences, better kicking game and kick chase, more aggression in defence.

All of these are possible no matter which players take the field.

I have to say that I'm getting bored of hearing how well we're training and then seeing us play poorly come game day

we need more bite and aggression, but we're already a team that don't get the 50/50s from most refs and that would mean giving away even more pens