Bridge and Clarke? Are you joking? I'd rather have Washy and Turner!
Monaghan was removed from the halves because he was pants there and Hodgson will never be a half as long as I've got a hole in my a**e.

Wire would fall apart if Briers wasn't there.

You make SOME valid points, but you don't seem to understand that it runs deeper than Agar over the last 2 and a half years.
It's almost like you expect the mess that Kear and Sharpe left to be cleaned up in 2 off seasons.
The people that you so eloquently call "fools" on here are actually the true realistic ones. I certainly don't expect to be challenging because we have a god given right as a big club, you have to build to success and Kear and Sharpe left a hell of a building site.

All hail the paragon of RL knowledge !!

Have you not noticed what happened at Hudds, Wigan and Wire ? It was done in much less than "two off seasons" and it involved appointing a quality coach and then backing him with the money and ambition to put together a quality squad that is capable of winning silverware.

By the way, just in case you haven't noticed, we are as big or bigger than all of the aforementioned clubs

HTH

Sorry to spoil your little positive post thing but that's how it is !

Bridge is a good player, doesn't get the credit he deserves. I like Washy but I'd be more than happy to have Bridge in our squad too.

I agree with that, it's crazy

Problem is agar was the site foreman

So you would prefer an unproven youngster and someone who is not considered a regular starter over 2 England internationals?
Agar has been a constant and do you believe he would have had no input into any recruitment process?
Yes Agar has routed out the trouble causers but he has still not addressed the balance of the squad which are clearly within his grasp and could have been achieved over the last 2 seasons imo, I'm not saying with marquee signings though.
And I'll think you find no-one is expecting to win every game but would like us to be more competitive and entertaining, not a lot to ask for. And yes we should be challenging for silverware every season because we are a big club and was well expected to break the big 4 dominance but all that has happened is we have let other clubs overtake us and have become another club in the league like wakefield and cas.
You seem to resort to childish comments or put downs yourself I notice when people dare to challenge your opinion. And just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them un-realistic.

I don't have a problem in people having the opinion that they don't think Agar is the man to sort it out. That's fair enough, I happen to think differently. It's when they fail to accept that the squad he inherited was pi$$ poor, then expect it to be challenging after 2 off seasons.

You're kidding right?

I think you'll find it wasn't me that started the "put downs" HTH.

The people I'm replying to are of the view that we should be challenging year in year out because we're a big club. I think rebuilding the squad takes longer than 2 seasons.

I get really fed up of people making apologies for Agar, he is tactically inept, we all know that from the tripe FC have served up under his "leadership", maybe the squad he inherited was poor, but he has had more than long enough to address that.

Hull FC will go nowhere whilst we have the old boys network coaching at every level, it's high time for a total clear out, we've progressed commercially but not in terms of professionalism on the rugby and coaching side.

Answer me this, if Agar got booted tomorrow who would sign him up?

I think he was, they also have Grix who can slot in at 6.

It may have been p1$$ poor, but the core of the squad is still here and every one of the players in the current squad has signed a contract since agar took over. He's the one who signed 2 injury prone 1/2 backs and then hides behind their lack of games as an excuse.

He's had ample opportunity to address the problems but hasn't

The real issue isn't clearing out players and getting new ones in, it's what you do with the players you have available. A good coach ends up with a team which is better than the sum of it's parts. With afar, the team performance is always less than you'd expect with the players available. His philosophy is safety first (as was the mentality of his 2 coaching mentors) which will neither entertain the crowd or make the team truly competitive.

Other than changing a few players and almost getting us back to where we were in the league before he took over, what do you think he has really achieved in his near 3 seasons in charge?

No top class coach would work with the current regime