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Its certainly not Smiths team, but the other cup finalist Nathan Brown how long has he been at Hudds ? not long i dont think and what a change he has made with what most people would think of as a small unfashionable club

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Quote: east hull FC fan "that would be a mistake IMHO. If 10 games into next season were still no good I will agree that he's out of his depth. But this season I think it's most of our players that are out of there depth.'"


What if at the start of the season he has (not for the first time) a large number of first team players unavailable?

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Quote: ash4hullfc "The title of this thread still cracks me up, 10 pages later...
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Quote: gary-hfc "Its certainly not Smiths team, but the other cup finalist Nathan Brown how long has he been at Hudds ? not long i dont think and what a change he has made with what most people would think of as a small unfashionable club'"


Ive said earlier on the Smith issue that he has got rid of the bad apple and got the superior class in the wire squad to start playing.

Are we not trying to do the same now ?

on the Nathon Brown issue he was appointed before the end of last season so had all of the close season to mould his team (of which 11 where new signings which blows the not his team out the water IMO)

Also niether sides have had a major injury problem.

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Quote: Standee "The difference is Paul that the [ievidence[/i supports the observation that Agar is useless, there is no evidence to suggest people who think so are wrong.'"


Yes there is but you just don’t take it in as you believe differently.

Many have talked about the rugby we played when agar took over the rains when Kear left, but you don’t even take this as evidence that he can get a team playing ?
The main argument is it was the team playing and nothing to do with Agar but when we say it’s the team not playing this year its Agars fault Mmm.

When Peter sharp came over he admitted that he changed very little as agar had and was doing a fantastic job.

But again you don’t take this into account you have your view and everyone else be damned.

We all blamed the atrocious injuries last year for our poor performances yet its been worse this year but again that’s Agars fault.

At the begining of the year we had our best ever start to a superleague with lets face it a poor squad and six injured and no Crocker but of course this was nothing to do with Agar it was the poor opposition.

I think it is you that cannot see the evidence right in front of you.

Just my opinion though and there will be another thread I am sure where you can inform everybody of your opinion that Agar is out of his depth.
Especially if too many start to disagree with you on this one. icon_razz.gif

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Quote: "....i think the team do have that..its maintaining it thats the problem.it cant be much fun getting battered all over the shop week in week out and then getting the crowd on your back is it any wonder heads go down..passion pride and effort will only get you so far.theres no substitute for quality..which sadly in our team we dont seem to have much of.but all that could change next season with the new people we have coming in i have faith in agar/sharp i just wish a few more people did instead of all this doom and gloom and lynch mob mentality.....

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Quote: rich1977 "
At the begining of the year we had our best ever start to a superleague with lets face it a poor squad and six injured and no Crocker but of course this was nothing to do with Agar it was the poor opposition.

I think it is you that cannot see the evidence right in front of you.




The thing with that is, the first game v Wigan I believe were also understrength, we won by 8, at full strength I don't believe we would beat them on their muck at this stage of the season.
v Celtic some on here said we was lucky to win, we won by 8.
v Catalan, who again were at under strength, we won by 14, again both teams at full strength I doubt if we can go there and win.
v huddersfield, we got a couple of very iffy calls, we just won by 4, last weeks result says it all.
v Bradford, just about everybody has beaten them this season, so no great thing there.

Our start , although pleasing to have the points on the board the performances weren't convincing. had we played like that throughout the season we would still have been where we are now.

Halfway along the road to nowhere

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Quote: rich1977 "Ive said earlier on the Smith issue that he has got rid of the bad apple and got the superior class in the wire squad to start playing.

Are we not trying to do the same now ?

on the Nathon Brown issue he was appointed before the end of last season so had all of the close season to mould his team (of which 11 where new signings which blows the not his team out the water IMO)

Also niether sides have had a major injury problem.'"


So he has been the head coach for less time than Agar, plus Agar has been at the club for a few years now and should have known the bad apples here eg Thackray who he resigned for this season,

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Quote: east hull FC fan "that would be a mistake IMHO. If 10 games into next season were still no good I will agree that he's out of his depth. But this season I think it's most of our players that are out of there depth.'"


Most of the squad have played internationally, have been part of our recent successes or have played at the top level in the game for a number of years. Have they all become poor players at the same time or is there some other factor driving things?

The squad we have is certainly more talented than the one Brian Smith took to the top of the old 1st division

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Quote: Gordon Gekko "Not at all.

I stated at the time the appointment of Sharp was a big mistake and saw absolutely no reason for him being here. He is a dull coach and a dull person but his influence over the team structure is there for all to see.'"


Unlike the snining light that is agar. It's easy to see that they grew up together and had the same influences

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Quote: rich1977 "Ive said earlier on the Smith issue that he has got rid of the bad apple and got the superior class in the wire squad to start playing.

Are we not trying to do the same now ?

on the Nathon Brown issue he was appointed before the end of last season so had all of the close season to mould his team (of which 11 where new signings which blows the not his team out the water IMO)

Also niether sides have had a major injury problem.'"


Surprised there were 11 new signings ay hudds. Who were they out of interest as most of the team seems the same as last season to me

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Quote: me 'n' our kid "The thing with that is, the first game v Wigan I believe were also understrength, we won by 8, at full strength I don't believe we would beat them on their muck at this stage of the season.

Wigans understrengh side that we beat
Amos Roberts; Cameron Phelps, Darrell Goulding, George Carmont, Pat Richards; Tim Smith, Thomas Leuluai; Stuart Fielden, Mark Riddell, Eamon O’Carroll, Gareth Hock, Phil Bailey, Sean O’Loughlin. Subs (all used)
Wigans semi final team you cant count Gleeson.
Phelps, Roberts, Gleeson, Carmont, Richards, S. Tomkins, Leuluai, Prescott, Riddell, Coley, Bailey, Hansen, O'Loughlin.
Replacements


v Celtic some on here said we was lucky to win, we won by 8.
We maybe was but Saints went there and only won by 4

v Catalan, who again were at under strength, we won by 14, again both teams at full strength I doubt if we can go there and win.
The team we beat
Greenshields; Stacul, Baile, Mogg, Pelo; Bosc, Perry; Ferriol, McGuire, Guisset, Elima, Croker, Mounis. Subs
The team that played Salford this weekend
Bosc, Stacul, Baile, Croker, Pelo, Mogg, McGuire, Ryles, Bentley, Guisset, Gossard, Carlaw, Fakir.
Replacements.

v huddersfield, we got a couple of very iffy calls, we just won by 4, last weeks result says it all.
The team that beat Huds had seven changes to the one that just got well beaten whereas the Huds team had four and the team we beat arguably was the better side.
The team we beat
B.Hodgson, Aspinwall, Cudjoe, Whatuira, D.Hodgson, Brown, Robinson, Mason, Moore, Korkidas, Raleigh, Wild, Faiumu.
Subs
The team we lost to
Brett Hodgson; Leroy Cudjoe, Jamahl Lolesi, Michael Lawrence, David Hodgson; Kevin Brown, Luke Robinson; Keith Mason, Scott Moore, Paul Jackson, Liam Fulton, Simon Finnigan, David Faiumu. Substitutes

v Bradford, just about everybody has beaten them this season, so no great thing there.
Rovers only drew the week before and we played Brad at full strengh also that was a very good performance imo

Our start , although pleasing to have the points on the board the performances weren't convincing. had we played like that throughout the season we would still have been where we are now.

Halfway along the road to nowhere'"


Might i remind you we started the season without Raynor, Motu, Whiting and after only two games in we had lost washbrook and todd byrne thats not counting Crocker.
We also had an inferior squad to the season before.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Surprised there were 11 new signings ay hudds. Who were they out of interest as most of the team seems the same as last season to me'"


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Ins Keal Carlile, Simon Finnigan (Bradford), Brett Hodgson (Wests), David Faiumu (NQ Cowboys), Michael Korkidas (Cas), Shaun Lunt (Workington), Scott Moore (Cas), Greg McNally (Whitehaven), Joe Walsh (Quins), Josh Griffin (Wakefield), Larne Patrick (unattached)

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Most of the squad have played internationally, have been part of our recent successes or have played at the top level in the game for a number of years. Have they all become poor players at the same time or is there some other factor driving things?

The squad we have is certainly more talented than the one Brian Smith took to the top of the old 1st division'"



So is every other team in the league though but i agree, the point being we have not had a settled side for the last 2 years

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Quote: rich1977 "pleasure

Ins Keal Carlile, Simon Finnigan (Bradford), Brett Hodgson (Wests), David Faiumu (NQ Cowboys), Michael Korkidas (Cas), Shaun Lunt (Workington), Scott Moore (Cas), Greg McNally (Whitehaven), Joe Walsh (Quins), Josh Griffin (Wakefield), Larne Patrick (unattached)'"


most of those aren't first choice though, Korkidas came and then went also

only Hodgson, Moore and Faiumu get in regularly.

he's still only made a handful of changes and got them from 3rd bottom to 3rd

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