We'll be fine thanks. We have a number of players still to come back, or have just come back and finding some fitness. We effectively played with 2 on the bench last night as well, so probably explained the fatigue in the last 10 - and it is that which could be our undoing (Hodgson's mis-management of the interchanges) this season

A bitter Saints fan only blaming Hull's errors for Wigan's win.Most Hull fans are happy with the performance not the result. No credit to Wigan at all I notice. No need to worry you will be champions but Wigan are a bigger club than Saints. Enjoy your success.

That is the big worry for me; Hodgson makes some absolutely baffling decisions on the interchanges . He has learned nothing, it would seem from last season, when he often carried an unused sub. I appreciate we did well, better than we have of late against Wigan away,
and there is an air of positivity, even in defeat ,but the guy is not a top class coach for me. We repeat ill discipline week in, week out and fatigue makes us cough up crucial errors, which ultimately get punished against the intense , top teams. We did well, we could have won and if he'd picked the right bench, for me, we probably would, as I don't see JJ being in any other SL first seventeen. What was the point of Wynne being in the 17 if he wasn't going to get on? Really strange that for me, Wigan are aggressive and intense and usually, you need all interchanges against them.

I sort of agree with Saddened in that we need to be winning games like last night to make the play offs. We saw in 2016 how winning tight games drove momentum. Personally not sure whether we will make the top 6 - Wigan, Saints and Catalans will likely be top 3 and Warrington might take a while to adjust to Powell but reckon they'll come good. Quite a few good teams then vying for 5&6. Hopefully we can be in the mix.

I do feel the bench and the use of it last night was a factor, although Johnstone has done little wrong so far this season in the role he's been given he unfortunately he doesn't offer an awful lot. Surely having Bowden on the bench would have offered us more going forward with Fash & Brown as Johnstone isn't on the bench & used to spell Houghton so I don't really see any benefit to having him on the bench.

I think we showed enough promise last night to suggest we will be in and around the mix but its yet again another game we could have and should have won but for some daft stuff, but hopefully these issue will be addressed.

What have I got to be bitter about? Do you think Wigan played well last night? They've got a lot of improvement in them as well as Hull and probably won't be happy about anything bar the result (Maybe Havard's development and Farrell's workrate). Hull did enough to win that game and then threw it away. Wigan will feel they got away with one there. Maybe this is the mindset shift Hull need to think about as well. You're too big a club to be happy with playing okay and drifting around mid table and the players you have are too good to be doing that as well. As for the bigger club stuff, irrelevant. Another empty stadium last night, which won't be doing them any good.

I have said many times that this coach is too loyal to players and this factors in to some of his poor bench selection.
If we take Connor Wynne as an example. Should have been left out for Bowden yet in his head he obviously thinks he has to find a bench spot for him because he was MOM the previous week.
Now if Connor deserved a place in the team then play him for an underperfoming player like Griffin.
No doubt ill get some stick from the Griffin lovers on here but before you all do look at his poor defence once again for Fields first try.
No point saying he makes meters going forward because all our backs do.We need a lot more from a centre especially in defence.
Our right edge apart from Lovodua missing the tackle on Field is looking strong and i would keep that together and if Carlos is fit drop Griffin to the bench.
So disappointing to lose last night but we actually have the look of a very good team that should be in the top 4 and Hodgson has to take some credit for that but until he really clamps down on the indiscipline and the team stop giving away field position from penalties,offside and repeat sets we wont make it.

You've contradicted yourself a bit.

You've praised the right edge. all they did is miss 1 tackle on Field.

The left edge was poor, they missed a tackle on Field.

Griffin is the least of our problems.

This is like Radfords 2015. Hodgson is putting things in place. I think it will take this season to keep building with us making a top 4 push next season.

Admittedly his bench selection has been poor at times, but were heading in the right direction

Our right edge has been strong and although Lovodua missed the tackle Connor should have stopped Field
One of my points was surrounding Connor Wynne and why he was on the bench following his MOM last week yet an underperforming Griffin offers nothing other than making a few metres out of backfield.He is slow, offers very little in attack and time and time again is found wanting in defence which fans on seem to ignore.
We have a rookie in Mitch playing right centre who has good defence and last night made a break then a one handed pass to Lovodua
who then put Houghton in for a try.Could Griffin do that?no
I agree we are heading in the right direction and Hodgsons bench selection at times is poor but even though you are a senior player if you are underperforming you should be replaced if we have a player available

Maybe bitter was a bit strong a description but from your post you concentrated how poor Wigan were due to your intense rivalry without giving credit to Hull's performance.

We have not beaten any of the four biggest teams in SL in 17 attempts so to run Wigan close and in my opinion played well is a positive. Like Warrington we are a big club but have under achieved for years.

It was a poor crowd but a lot of Thursday night TV games are. We average 11k plus which in RL terms is creditable but in a 25k stadium it never looks full. Saints are a great club and have been far and away the best team in the league for the last few years but in my view Wigan historically are the biggest club in the game.

Nothing personal against you or your club just a bit miffed that you didn't give Hull any credit. I enjoy watching Saints play.

My bad,
shows how much I watch it, I don't have subscription TV so am limited to a few highlights. Still think the 10m is more evident in the NRL

Quote: bonaire "Our right edge has been strong and although Lovodua missed the tackle Connor should have stopped Field One of my points was surrounding Connor Wynne and why he was on the bench following his MOM last week yet an underperforming Griffin offers nothing other than making a few metres out of backfield.He is slow, offers very little in attack and time and time again is found wanting in defence which fans on seem to ignore. We have a rookie in Mitch playing right centre who has good defence and last night made a break then a one handed pass to Lovodua who then put Houghton in for a try.Could Griffin do that?no I agree we are heading in the right direction and Hodgsons bench selection at times is poor but even though you are a senior player if you are underperforming you should be replaced if we have a player available'" We'll just agree to disagree about Griffin. He's not Jamie Lyon, but I think you're doing his skill set a disservice. Mitch could've jammed in on Field to stop the break too. https://youtu.be/MB2wcGiW7vo

Quote: bonaire "Our right edge has been strong and although Lovodua missed the tackle Connor should have stopped Field One of my points was surrounding Connor Wynne and why he was on the bench following his MOM last week yet an underperforming Griffin offers nothing other than making a few metres out of backfield.He is slow, offers very little in attack and time and time again is found wanting in defence which fans on seem to ignore. We have a rookie in Mitch playing right centre who has good defence and last night made a break then a one handed pass to Lovodua who then put Houghton in for a try.Could Griffin do that?no I agree we are heading in the right direction and Hodgsons bench selection at times is poor but even though you are a senior player if you are underperforming you should be replaced if we have a player available'" We'll just agree to disagree about Griffin. He's not Jamie Lyon, but I think you're doing his skill set a disservice. Mitch could've jammed in on Field to stop the break too. https://youtu.be/MB2wcGiW7vo

You sure about Wire?

Oooo you can't criticise Connor to our fans

He's the best full back in super league according to dave and Chris

They never notice his many f*ck ups!