They've got detention.

I remain unconvinced. His time with us has been quite disappointing on the whole.

I his time here Hull fc have been disappointing on the whole.

Way over the top reactions on here. As a neutral I saw enough from Hull to suggest you will improve as the seasons goes on. 6 new players. Don't expect overnight results. First 40; 6-6. Easily forgotten.

Seymour is an also-ran and I never see anything in Richard Whiting, but overall I still think there's enough in hull to mount an assault on the top 4 this yr.

Stick with em.

The same could be said of most of our squad, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they've (all) been disappointing as individuals. Westerman has, in my opinion.

It's what we do. We're either champions in waiting or wooden spoon contenders, rarely anything in between.

Indeed - but there comes a time when it's the good players that raise the standard of the team. In fact it's the only way the team can get better - if the players contribute to it.

In Westerman's case tonight it was a normal sort of game for him - good occasionally and mostly anonymous. Galea was worse but people should stop expecting Westerman to be better than he is. We've seen enough from him now to know that wherever he plays he's never going to be anything other than average over the course of a season. If he was better he'd be talked about as a possible for the England team at the end of the year. He wont be talked about in that way because he's nowhere near good enough - same as many other of our players.

Nice to hear a bit of common sense.

I've always thought he's been effective playing out wide on a usually poor right side, in the middle he's a waste.

Seymour - the new Thorman. Can't tackle. Can't organise. Can't pass. Can't catch. Can't kick. Gives away penalty after penalty. Just awful. Seriously, we shouldn't persist with him.

Westerman - always looking fit the shot, so misses tackle after tackle.

Galea - slow, invisible.

I could go on. Very average team. Our strength in depth is only due to the averageness of all the players.
Not a chance a team with one half back and not many quality forwards will challenge. Today showed us just how far behind we are.

We'll have to agree to differ then.

Could someone just post a list of SL 13s who consistently boss games please?

After watching the match i saw plenty of positives to suggest this was a stumbling block.. I think the first 40 we did to much tackling and that paid price in the second half..

IMO i think the game changer was the 40/20 kick which hit the line..

Pack wasn't upto it but we have tickle and watts to come back yet who offer alot more.. Galea, Well think his signing was a mistake, Again IMO..

Best player of the match for me is Green.. Thought the way he Pi**ed Peacock off was ace. Constantly sticking the shoulder in.

Sir Kev