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| hes the only scrum half in hulls history to engineer a win at Wembley,something even the great peter sterling couldn't do,sneyd will do for me.just my opinion mind you.
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| Quote: lummy "Totally agree with Bomnbed Out - how many sets of six do you see us have and the only involvement is a kick on the final play. He's a scrum half for gods sake, should be involved far more.
Even the young kid at Saints, Richardson was heavily involved whenever Saints had the ball against us. He has to do more, it's as simple as that.
I think our best rugby is when we just throw it about, like the last 15 minutes at Leeds, when we come away from the structures because more people are trying to create and thats where our biggest problem is. We don't have enough creators. Washy looks more comfortable on the ball than sneyd at times.'"
Sneyd has been with us for 2.5 seasons. What make you think he will change the way he plays now? He never has been, nor will be a "take the line on" half back. Expecting him to now do this is quite frankly pie in the sky.
Very little criticism of him last season, yet he is playing the same. Is it Sneyds fault that those around him have teflon gloves on at the moment?
We havent created much as we have not exerted any decent pressure on the opposition due to our handling errors. Expecting one player to pull it out of the bag, is ridiculous.
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| Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Very little criticism of him last season, yet he is playing the same. Is it Sneyds fault that those around him have teflon gloves on at the moment?
We havent created much as we have not exerted any decent pressure on the opposition due to our handling errors. Expecting one player to pull it out of the bag, is ridiculous.'"
It isn't Sneyds fault those around him are wearing teflon gloves I'll agree but he is also culpable of that himself. I also don't believe he is playing the same as last year either. Last year he was more consistent in going to the line before passing or putting a short kick in, this season he seems a lot less inclined to engage the opposing defence and pass without the opposition defence being anywhere near. We all know he isn't a running halfback but as a halfback he has to at least engage the defence otherwise we will create nothing in attack or do we just rely on kicks?
I am not expecting one player to pull it out the bag but I do expect an experienced halfback of Sneyds ability at the very least to engage the oppositions defence.
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| Quote: Chris71 "It isn't Sneyds fault those around him are wearing teflon gloves I'll agree but he is also culpable of that himself. I also don't believe he is playing the same as last year either. Last year he was more consistent in going to the line before passing or putting a short kick in, this season he seems a lot less inclined to engage the opposing defence and pass without the opposition defence being anywhere near. We all know he isn't a running halfback but as a halfback he has to at least engage the defence otherwise we will create nothing in attack or do we just rely on kicks?
I am not expecting one player to pull it out the bag but I do expect an experienced halfback of Sneyds ability at the very least to engage the oppositions defence.'"
Exactly my thoughts. I don't really want Sneyd to take the line on, but I want him to engage defenders. Currently, he is passing 5 yards away from the defenders, they don't need to commit to engage Sneyd, so concentrate on his runners, which means that we are not creating gaps or uncertainty.
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| Quote: Bombed Out "The whole team has been poor but Sneyd is also very culpable.
His inability to take on the line, his catch and pass style of play, the way he stands back to do this and last play kicks make us a very easy to read and predictable team.
As this thread is about attack that's what your halves are there to instigate and control.
Kelly has the ball you get excitement and uncertainty. Sneyd gets the ball you know he's just going to pass.
I personally think when all are fit Connor and Kelly should be our pairing.
As we've not had a settled scrum half for years I think some people regard Sneyd as the new messiah and are very protective. He's steady away if nothing else but not the cheeky chappie style of scrum half I'd have liked to have seen.'"
No one thinks Sneyd is Messianic, more metronomic with his boot. The point of my earlier post was and is that if Sneyd is fit, Radford will play him, thankfully he is the coach. Keyboard warriors are entitled to thier opinion of course but we all know how it will go. Sneyd will be patnered by either Kelly or Connor, whoever is fit. Some short memories on here or Alziemers, Lance Todd trophy winner, he normally steps up when it's needed. The team has been poor collectively over the last 3 games but could have secured 3 wins. There is that a better post? Bless.
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| Why is that we have to alziemers if in this specific case some don't totally agree with you? What makes you the top judge?
I've supported Radders when plenty on here wanted him out, I didn't call anyone for that - it's opinions. If you don't want opinions, get on Twitter and join the almighty echo chamber.
We all know he'll play Sneyd with Kelly/Connor - i'm saying he needs to do more, simple as that.
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| For me his main area of improvement is his passing, how many times since he came has he produced a really good pass to set up a try, too often for a halfback his pass goes to ground.
His running game is pretty good when he has the confidence to do so and his defence isn't too bad for a halfback, he has improvement in his have to be a top halfback, but I'm sure Radford abs Sneyd know this and he seems the type of kid to work hard on his have to improve.
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| Damned if you do damned if you don't. We've had critics in the media saying that we're too steady , not enough flair and then in the same sentence criticising the same players for going off piste. That has to create pressure when things aren't working and we're suffering for it. It will probably just take a few decent passes hitting their targets and maybe a few 50/50's going our way , eg , penalty for a ball steal for us rather than a knock on against us , for some confidence to come back. Not sure that more pass and catch drills will actually make much difference , more about lifting the group from a coaching point of view.
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| Quote: lummy "Why is that we have to alziemers if in this specific case some don't totally agree with you? What makes you the top judge?
I've supported Radders when plenty on here wanted him out, I didn't call anyone for that - it's opinions. If you don't want opinions, get on Twitter and join the almighty echo chamber.
We all know he'll play Sneyd with Kelly/Connor - i'm saying he needs to do more, simple as that.'"
Read my post again Mr. Hasty. I said everyone is entitled to there opinion wether I agree or not. I didn't "call anyone", sounds a bit school boyish to me. The alziemers quip was tongue in cheek about the crack Sneyd is getting when we play poorly. In my humble opinion it's unfair to single him out for lack of attacking options. Connor was playing that night, too. The whole team needs to do more if we're to succeed in any competition this season. Sneyd led the line almost single handedly last season but is playing a slightly different role, now he has constant stand off support. As for me being "top judge", thanks for the backhanded compliment. You can stick Twitter where the sun doesn't shine, your welcome to it.
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| Quote: Armavinit "Read my post again Mr. Hasty. I said everyone is entitled to there opinion wether I agree or not. I didn't "call anyone", sounds a bit school boyish to me. The alziemers quip was tongue in cheek about the crack Sneyd is getting when we play poorly. In my humble opinion it's unfair to single him out for lack of attacking options. Connor was playing that night, too. The whole team needs to do more if we're to succeed in any competition this season. Sneyd led the line almost single handedly last season but is playing a slightly different role, now he has constant stand off support. As for me being "top judge", thanks for the backhanded compliment. You can stick Twitter where the sun doesn't shine, your welcome to it.'"
A good attempt at back tracking there but you were clearly mocking those that didn't agree with you.
Please explain how you think Sneyd is playing a different role?
As I don't see it as I thought the same of Sneyd last season.
Didn't CT play stand off and offer support last season or have I missed something?
Admittedly Kelly is a marked improvement in that role.
Every player is not exempt from critique or praise so no need to be so defensive.
Again people's opinions differ to yours it's called debate.Some people think he does enough,some think he could offer more. No need to resort to childish quips.
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| Snyed hasnt played well along with the the rest of the team, but putting an attack together after our numerious errors in our own 20 , is nigh on impossible. Our attack under radford as always been pretty poor imo, unless our forwards are busting holes and having quick play the balls or our backs are returning 20 meters from within our own 10 and scrambling defences , our attack is pretty average ,espically in opposition 20. I think thats down to poor coaching ,rather than personnel. When our tactics work its great , and we look great, when not, we clueless and lacking a plan b! Just my opinion of course
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| Sneyd and Kelly will be our halves when fit, Connor was poor against Leeds and for me will be centre if everyone's fit, can't believe how many people don't rate Sneyd yeah he's not the finished article but still the best 7 we have and we need to trust him to take us forward and I do.
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| Quote: Bombed Out "A good attempt at back tracking there but you were clearly mocking those that didn't agree with you.
Please explain how you think Sneyd is playing a different role?
As I don't see it as I thought the same of Sneyd last season.
Didn't CT play stand off and offer support last season or have I missed something?
Admittedly Kelly is a marked improvement in that role.
Every player is not exempt from critique or praise so no need to be so defensive.
Again people's opinions differ to yours it's called debate.Some people think he does enough,some think he could offer more. No need to resort to childish quips.'"
Carlos was injured for some of the season, with Washy and I think even Hadley spelling in the halves. As I said, Sneyd was the go to man last season but doesn't have that role now he has stand off partners. Even I accepted Bonaires view that Carlos wasn't a stand off. Don't be so touchy. As you say our views differ, a quip is a comic aside, let it go. You commented on the original post , saying "what's the point of this post" I answered you and Lummy leapt in with divers boots on. As others have said, Sneyd isn't the finished article but will get there, I'm positive. Still think we'll make 2 finals this season and that the team and the attack will get us there. Only my opinion.
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| The attack was awful last night and seems to be getting worse. No dummy runners, no one taking the ball to the line and last tackle kick plays we're really poor. We are really predictable and easy to defend against.
Only 9 tries in the last 4 games is worrying
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| We look tired. Bowden had an absolute mare of a game. We looked good when we just go a roll on and made some hard yards, it's when we look unsettled and like we're trying to chuck it about and make daft offloads that we go to pot.
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