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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Agree, it's their impact at the time that is important, how they were spoken of by other players and how they were revered by fans.
Shaul whilst he has his very good plus points I'm not sure he will reach the lofty heights of a Kemble or Keegan, I'd say that Prescott and Briscoe were better fullbacks too but no doubt JS if he stays at Hull will be considered one of our finer players in that position.
Fonua, defensively he's simply not good enough so no chance, just on that basis alone, Kelly, talented but has been here 5 minutes and similarly Sneyd whilst an amazing goal-kicker and has shown lots of improvement from 2014 when he was dissapointing has a fair way to go to be thought of in the upper echelons IMHO, certainly has the potential to be up there.
Ellis is certainly one to think about but we haven't really had him in his prime, he's been great but not a patch on his NRL peak. Easy to forget that you stand out when the rest are average (2013/14/15) however his leadership qualities are second to no-one except Swain.
Hooker, DH is definitely going to be considered for sure, I can't see him leaving the club tbh and with his injury record he could be looking at 350+club appearances.
Minichello also has bags of talent and offers something that Ellis doesn't and is a consistant performer not to mention he's on the pitch for 80 minutes most games, tallying him up alongside servants to the club who would give it 100% all the time sometimes in teams that didn't have such a rounded squad as we have but stood out all the same is hard. Bill Drake is probably Minichellos superior if we are looking at like for like (ball handling skills/pace, great tackler etc) but did 11-12 years at the club
Would I have a Scott Taylor/Watts over someone like a Jum Drake/Mick Harrison both international rep players (Harrison at 20) and both hard as fooking nails, I'd have to say no.'"
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I just say it how I see it whatever the subject matter is. we analyse as fans what we are doing well and what isn't going so well. Even when we win some things that aren't so good crop up that fans notice and feel could be improved so it's talked about.
Human nature genrally means we focus more on the negatives than positives, however some people (particularly on internet fora) see criticism/voicing an opinion that doesn't match the majority, of whatever that is, as being negative and then throw insults/personal abuse.
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| Quote: UllFC "Swain just edges it on ability for me, both fantastic players though. Can only imagine if we had then both in the squad together rotating off the bench, we'd never let a try in!
As for the rest of the squad I think Ellis deserves a spot, both for lifting a poor team in his early years here, and lifting the Cup.
Hard to judge a 'hall of fame' team though, due to different fitness levels and styles over the decades. Was only thinking the other day that some of the creative players we had just 10-15 years ago such as Blacklock and Ritchie Barnett wouldent be much good in todays super league as they were somewhat fragile and would rather look to make a break and possibly give away an error rather than play it safe and play sets out.
Also its a debate as to wether you pick players purely on ability or if you take length of service in to account, Stephen Kearney is one of the most talented players ive seen in the Black & White and his performance in the CC semi a contender for best individual display ive seen, but he was only here for one year.'"
I think Richie Barnet would warrant a place in any side, pure class - for us and against us. He put in the best individual performance I have seen in a game against St Helens at the KC and was only on the pitch for about 20 minutes - time enough to demolish saints with a couple of tries and assists.
Him and Colin Best were a great combination. Neither here long enough to be in the all time list perhaps but on their day as good as those that are.
Would also add that Shane Mcmenamy was also outstanding in that semi final with the rest not far behind. |
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Agree, it's their impact at the time that is important, how they were spoken of by other players and how they were revered by fans.
Shaul whilst he has his very good plus points I'm not sure he will reach the lofty heights of a Kemble or Keegan, I'd say that Prescott and Briscoe were better fullbacks too but no doubt JS if he stays at Hull will be considered one of our finer players in that position.
Fonua, defensively he's simply not good enough so no chance, just on that basis alone, Kelly, talented but has been here 5 minutes and similarly Sneyd whilst an amazing goal-kicker and has shown lots of improvement from 2015(Edit 2015, keystroke error) when he was dissapointing has a fair way to go to be thought of in the upper echelons IMHO, certainly has the potential to be up there.
Ellis is certainly one to think about but we haven't really had him in his prime, he's been great but not a patch on his NRL peak. Easy to forget that you stand out when the rest are average (2013/14/15) however his leadership qualities are second to no-one except Swain.
Hooker, DH is definitely going to be considered for sure, I can't see him leaving the club tbh and with his injury record he could be looking at 350+club appearances.
Minichello also has bags of talent and offers something that Ellis doesn't and is a consistant performer not to mention he's on the pitch for 80 minutes most games, tallying him up alongside servants to the club who would give it 100% all the time sometimes in teams that didn't have such a rounded squad as we have but stood out all the same is hard. Bill Drake is probably Minichellos superior if we are looking at like for like (ball handling skills/pace, great tackler etc) but did 11-12 years at the club
Would I have a Scott Taylor/Watts over someone like a Jum Drake/Mick Harrison both international rep players (Harrison at 20) and both hard as fooking nails, I'd have to say no.'"
Good post, but would strongly disagree on the ellis comment, that is what makes him so unbelievable, that hes still performing exactly like he did 5, 6 years ago , nothing flash , just brutal and hard to stop, exactly what he did for west tigers |
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| rl]yrl] Quote: Lincoln Imp "I think Richie Barnet would warrant a place in any side, pure class - for us and against us. He put in the best individual performance I have seen in a game against St Helens at the KC and was only on the pitch for about 20 minutes - time enough to demolish saints with a couple of tries and assists.
Him and Colin Best were a great combination. Neither here long enough to be in the all time list perhaps but on their day as good as those that are.
Would also add that Shane Mcmenamy was also outstanding in that semi final with the rest not far behind.'"
Agree, loved that combo, barnet could hit so hard, loved it, would of liked best to of stayed longer
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only Ellis and possibly Taylor would get in my team (from 1979 when i first went), no Mini.
my back row would be crooks, muggleton or ellis with knocker at loose man, the other would go on the bench
swain over houghton at present.
possible 4 prop rotation of stone, skerett, taylor and karl harrison (1st spell)
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Was made up when we signed Barnett from London. Had admired him for a while. Loved him at centre, had some mongrel in him.
Liked Muggleton as well. Wasn't he Sterlos brother in law?
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| Quote: the artist "only Ellis and possibly Taylor would get in my team (from 1979 when i first went), no Mini.
my back row would be crooks, muggleton or ellis with knocker at loose man, the other would go on the bench
swain over houghton at present.
possible 4 prop rotation of stone, skerett, taylor and karl harrison (1st spell)'"
I'd have Crane in instead of Muggleton. |
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| Quote: Irregular Hoops "Was made up when we signed Barnett from London. Had admired him for a while. Loved him at centre, had some mongrel in him.
Liked Muggleton as well. Wasn't he Sterlos brother in law?'"
Indeed he was, but I think a few have somewhat rose tinted glasses on here. Muggleton was good, but at the end of the day, he was only here for a couple of seasons Max (did he play for more than just the 84/85 season?). IMO in the time I have watched Hull FC (since 1981) the 2nd rowers I would highlight would be Lee Crooks, Mick Crane (when not playing LF), Ellis, Willie Manu, and Mini. |
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Manu would be on my bench with the 2 props and either ellis or muggleton. to be honest, and its a bit controversial, but never liked it when we had crane and norton in the same starting team. both great players, but its a question of balance i guess.
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King Ellis. Up there with the best ever to adorn the famous irregular hoops. A sporting great in an age for our sport where there are few
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| Quote: Airlie1984 "King Ellis. Up there with the best ever to adorn the famous irregular hoops. A sporting great in an age for our sport where there are few'"
Certainly mentioned out here by pundits as one of the best ever players to have played after coming from the ERL. Rated in the Top 5 or 6 by some.
In the forwards he would be in my top 3. Mal Reilly for me is No1. |
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Grimaldi, Kearney lots of great players way ahead of cuckoo Harrison who caused disruption with the young players
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Possibly only Ellis would get in my all time fc team but like people say its the eras we watched....i started going in 1975 and seen the game evolve.Bizarrely the best fullback I saw was Wade McKinnon..he was sheer class but wasn't here long enough,same as Sterling...best player I have ever seen for 1 season,overall best player..Knocker.Swain over Houghton any time,both 80mins players but Swain had a better all rd game.
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