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| Quote: B0NES "They tried to build a tunnel before under the river Hull and then scraped it due to it flooding , There's a bridge there now !. It's going to be chaos in Hull when the A63 upgrade starts .'"
Your going to jave fun coming home from work Steve
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| Quote: fc baldy "Your going to jave fun coming home from work Steve'"
It's something that needs doing , Castle st is joke , You've seen it yourself Mark the chaos you get with just one broken down lorry and the rest of the city stops .
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| Quote: Bal "Sorry, it does represent a small challenge but bridge works are somewhat second nature to UK Infrastructure teams and they have existing methodology. You of course have a permanent connection with a bridge on one side, which is where the electrical supply will be managed. The bridge, will then have the pylons attached too it. Logistically a little more difficult than standard installation and certainly specialist, but not significant time wise.'"
You are correct in most of what you say regarding methodology, however, it will probably take a little less time to run the wire under the bridge. This is due to the fact there is no need to dig/pile foundations for any large steelwork to be landed like there is in 'open' track. The main challenge will be in the design, ensuring minimum wire heights are maintained. I work as an engineer for an overhead line company and most of our guys would know this as standard practice........hopefully
Also, I would expect that the work be planned overnight in line possessions to minimise the disruption to service. This is usually on a Saturday night/early hours of Sunday morning, most of the works go on without any commuters having any idea, apart from when we mess up that is!!
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| Quote: C for Cuckoo "So I'm stuck with a 60 minute bus journey. Sighs. I might just move back to Hull.
I do have a serious infrastructurey question. If they are going to lower the A63 by 7m and Hull is 2m above sea-level does that mean the new road will be technically underwater? The point were Chants Ave ducks under the elevated railway often floods (I think it did again yesterday) so how will they stop the A63 turning into a marina when it rains? '"
Replacement bus from hull to Hessle. Replacement raft from Hessle to Hull. Simple.
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| Quote: Bal "Hmmm, actually thats really not that bad for an infrastructure project.
The scheme will include two new bridges and an underpass. Plus ground works, landscaping, highway control etc.
The A556 bypass, which doesn't involve ground work in a high water table area, which is around 4 miles cost somewhere around £212 million.'"
Standee reacts negatively to most things posted on here. Not a personal insult of course.
I'd love to know what the Tindsley Viaduct project came out to in the end!!!!!!!
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| Quote: Standee "£75m for 1.5 km... value for money my booty'"
Depends on the criteria you're using to judge whether the project is value for money, I suppose.
Yours seems to be distance?
I bet you threw a right wobbler over the Crossrail project in London. Costing over £14bn for 100km of track, £140m per km.
The A63 is costing £50m per km.
Using your criteria, which is better value for money?
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| indeed, the mind can only boggle at how much HST will end up costing per km for example - it will be miles more than the estimates. as well as just the road, there will be tunnels and bridges to build, all pushing the cost up
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "Depends on the criteria you're using to judge whether the project is value for money, I suppose.
Yours seems to be distance?
I bet you threw a right wobbler over the Crossrail project in London. Costing over £14bn for 100km of track, £140m per km.
The A63 is costing £50m per km.
Using your criteria, which is better value for money?'"
Crossrail is a little more important than the A63...
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| Quote: Standee "Crossrail is a little more important than the A63...'"
Like I said, it depends on the criteria your're using. Your initial criteria was value for money based on the distance it covered.
In terms of 'importance', does that mean what's important to you?
The best way to measure value for money vs importance would be by using passenger/user figures:
Crossrail will benefit around 200m passengers per year, according to their website. £14.8bn/200m is £74 per head.
So, the A63 route needs just over 1m users (road, cycles and pedestrians) per year (or 2,750 per day), to make this investment equally as financially viable as Crossrail.
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "Like I said, it depends on the criteria your're using. Your initial criteria was value for money based on the distance it covered.
In terms of 'importance', does that mean what's important to you?
The best way to measure value for money vs importance would be by using passenger/user figures
A very simplistic VFM calculation, what will Crossrail generate as opposed to the A63 improvements?
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| Quote: Standee "A very simplistic VFM calculation, what will Crossrail generate as opposed to the A63 improvements?'"
A simple calculation was all that was required.
You seem to have lost track. Is this poor value for money because of the cost per km, or because it's not 'important', or because you believe it won't lead to future economic benefit?
What will Crossrail & A63 generate? It's virtually impossible to predict and you know that, that's why you asked. Of course, if you have the figures for the two, please share them. Not forgetting, you'd have to make that comparable to the relative sizes of the two projects, like I did with my simplistic calculations earlier.
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| Quote: Errlee Berd "A simple calculation was all that was required.
You seem to have lost track. Is this poor value for money because of the cost per km, or because it's not 'important', or because you believe it won't lead to future economic benefit?
What will Crossrail & A63 generate? It's virtually impossible to predict and you know that, that's why you asked. Of course, if you have the figures for the two, please share them. Not forgetting, you'd have to make that comparable to the relative sizes of the two projects, like I did with my simplistic calculations earlier.'"
When Crossrail opens in 2018 Londons population will be over 7mill
Is Hull's still falling sub 250K?
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| Quote: frepneyboy "When Crossrail opens in 2018 Londons population will be over 7mill
Is Hull's still falling sub 250K?'"
Thanks for that.
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| Quote: frepneyboy "When Crossrail opens in 2018 Londons population will be over 7mill
Is Hull's still falling sub 250K?'"
perspective, which is what I was driving at.
Anyway, should this not be on the Sin Bin...?
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| Quote: Standee "perspective, which is what I was driving at.
Anyway, should this not be on the Sin Bin...?'"
You can always rely on frepneyboy to provide perspective
Fair play on avoiding my points and providing & not backing up your crass 'value for money' comment at the start of the thread. Very 'standee'.
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