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Quote: Erik the not red "Is this Hudgell the wise sage the OP refers to the any relation any relation to the one whose club regularly loses approaching half a million a year and and is around minus £3 million on the balance sheet?'"


While neglecting his academy?

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Quote: Sheldon "While neglecting his academy?'"

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Fair play to hudge he as done a cracking job on & off the pitch at KR, there running at a loss each year but it has not stopped him setting out what he said he was going to do by putting them in the top league & developing the ground & youth system hes changed the coach & players for the better whilst upsetting some fans along the way but hes made these changes with the clubs best interests at hart, & you cant have nothing but admiration for him we would'nt have the biggest/best only real derby in SL without what he as done. As for salford who knows what they could turn out to be he could stick around for years the doc he might turn them into the chelsea of SL i dont believe he did not know he has to spend within the salary cap before purchasing the club.

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I'm not questioning the effort Hudgell has put in for the dobbins but the OP was suggesting he should be running the RL! There is a world of difference from putting personal effort (and cash) into one club and building a successful and sustainable league structures and competitions. How would his practices of operating at a loss, exploiting overseas player rules and petty point scoring work over a national competition?

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Quote: Erik the not red "I'm not questioning the effort Hudgell has put in for the dobbins but the OP was suggesting he should be running the RL! There is a world of difference from putting personal effort (and cash) into one club and building a successful and sustainable league structures and competitions. How would his practices of operating at a loss, exploiting overseas player rules and petty point scoring work over a national competition?'"

That's a fair summary. Hudgell has done great work at Rovers driven by his love of the club and therefore his own self-satisfaction. Such all-consuming self-interest however is the poorest qualification for running a sport, which he and AP allude to in slating the undue influence of the Hetheringtons at Red Hall. The problem in RL is that there's no one with the authority, gravitas and clear thinking to shape a compelling vision and secure club engagement behind it, partly because the a RFL has fudged so many issues and fecked things up commercially that it's stock/credibility with most club owners is close to zero.

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Quote: Erik the not red "I'm not questioning the effort Hudgell has put in for the dobbins but the OP was suggesting he should be running the RL! There is a world of difference from putting personal effort (and cash) into one club and building a successful and sustainable league structures and competitions. How would his practices of operating at a loss, exploiting overseas player rules and petty point scoring work over a national competition?'"


KR have run at a Loss as most new companies do and that's what they've been since entering SL speculate to accumulate is the saying as for running the league who knows he could be capable he runs his law firms up & down the country pretty successful the fact of the matter for me is the RFL do ok but year on year need to improve the structures media & marketing let our game down look at our sponsors there not all nationwide companies Like football & union have & I know this view is not everyone's but why do they try & pump money into the areas that don't care about our game rather then upping salary caps at up & running clubs to boost there youth systems?

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Quote: easthull fc fan "KR have run at a Loss as most new companies do and that's what they've been since entering SL speculate to accumulate is the saying as for running the league who knows he could be capable he runs his law firms up & down the country pretty successful the fact of the matter for me is the RFL do ok but year on year need to improve the structures media & marketing let our game down look at our sponsors there not all nationwide companies Like football & union have & I know this view is not everyone's but why do they try & pump money into the areas that don't care about our game rather then upping salary caps at up & running clubs to boost there youth systems?'"

Well said that was exactly the point I am trying to get across, this guy has stood up and admitted that his club run at a loss along with every other rl club fc included. Maybe the chairman of all the rl clubs form a committee and bring to task those at red hall who can't even get a sponsor for our game and if they don't want to listen after that breakaway just like what happened to the old arl and form a new rugby league format.

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Whilst not denying NH is a very passionate fan/owner of Rovers I just can't understand the sudden love-in with the man from our supporters. Over the last few years he has taken many opportunities to make a number of digs at FC, even when the topic was seemingly nothing to do with us. To suggest he should run the RFL is ridiculous - his club has been moderately successful at best (established in SL, but no silverware), makes regular losses and as mentioned has not invested in Youth, but sought a number of mediocre(and one or two good) Australians instead. He was right to stand up to Hetherington and co, but lets not get carried away just yet!

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Quote: Sheldon "While neglecting his academy?'"


Does this 'neglect' represent a failure of self-interest or to the RL family?

The first carries its own inherent punishment. The second, well, as you once said, it is dog eat dog. icon_smile.gif

This agreeing business is all a bit weird, innit?

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Quote: sloopjond "Whilst not denying NH is a very passionate fan/owner of Rovers I just can't understand the sudden love-in with the man from our supporters. Over the last few years he has taken many opportunities to make a number of digs at FC, even when the topic was seemingly nothing to do with us. To suggest he should run the RFL is ridiculous - his club has been moderately successful at best (established in SL, but no silverware), makes regular losses and as mentioned has not invested in Youth, but sought a number of mediocre(and one or two good) Australians instead. He was right to stand up to Hetherington and co, but lets not get carried away just yet!'"


He has invested in youth but as they was not in the SL up until 2007 there funds were very low hence why he has had to buy a team rather then grow one but in the next few seasons there will be more home grown talent in there squad.

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Quote: easthull fc fan "He has invested in youth but as they was not in the SL up until 2007 there funds were very low hence why he has had to buy a team rather then grow one but in the next few seasons there will be more home grown talent in there squad.'"

How many players during his SL tenure have stayed with the club tho pal ? Taylor , Beaumont to name 2 . It's no coincidence that apart from Netherton no player has had a testimonial under the grudge , he likes to harp on at players about loyalty when they jump ship yet doesn't reciprocate the other way round .
Anyway to get Back on topic I'd like to say go feck yourself Grudge

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Quote: Legends and Icons "How many players during his SL tenure have stayed with the club tho pal ? Taylor , Beaumont to name 2 . It's no coincidence that apart from Netherton no player has had a testimonial under the grudge , he likes to harp on at players about loyalty when they jump ship yet doesn't reciprocate the other way round .
Anyway to get Back on topic I'd like to say go feck yourself Grudge'"


Tbf, given that we've only been in SL 7 seasons, that the squad needed dramatic renovation early in that period, and it takes 10 years to earn a normal testimonial, even just one is good going. Welham should be eligible in a couple of seasons.
Our production line has been indifferent. But then during the same period, yours has dropped away a bit too. A result of the city's talent being divided, I suspect. Then it's hard to retain a Taylor or a Briscoe when the big clubs come calling.

You can hope for loyalty, but to expect it is foolish, I agree. People's first professional responsibility is to themselves and their family. And it is a very short and for most not even brilliantly paid career.

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Quote: easthullairliebird "Well said that was exactly the point I am trying to get across, this guy has stood up and admitted that his club run at a loss along with every other rl club fc included. Maybe the chairman of all the rl clubs form a committee and bring to task those at red hall who can't even get a sponsor for our game and if they don't want to listen after that breakaway just like what happened to the old arl and form a new rugby league format.'"


So he's admitted his club runs at a loss. Big deal! There's a thing called annual reports of accounts which will publicise this very fact whether grudge wants to admit it or not. And he hasn't even admitted this in the past particularly well with some of the accounts filed long after their due date. Admitting that he runs at a loss is about as great a confession as saying that he knows the sun rises and sets every day.

And once again, is continually running at a loss a great model for a national competition?

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Quote: Legends and Icons "How many players during his SL tenure have stayed with the club tho pal ? Taylor , Beaumont to name 2 . It's no coincidence that apart from Netherton no player has had a testimonial under the grudge , he likes to harp on at players about loyalty when they jump ship yet doesn't reciprocate the other way round .
Anyway to get Back on topic I'd like to say go feck yourself Grudge'"


Thing is mate there youth that have come through this far have not been world beaters there best has been welham Taylor was just lucky that wigan wanted him if it was wakey cas or London would he have jumped ship? Rugby is a job 1st to players & to work for a top company in any job is a big yes & for most its about winning/achieving.

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