Well we all know if they had all been converted we would have won.

totally agree and Westerman is a similar standard unfortunately. Unless Crooks or Miller can step up its going to be a problem for the foreseeable future.

They didn't ALL have to be converted for us to win. Kicking 50% of the ones he missed would have given us the game.

Also a worry that he doesn't seem to kick well under pressure.

Had very kickable conversions to win at Saints and against Rovers and missed.

Friday 24th February 2012 - Hull v Salford - both teams got 4 tries, wonder what the goal stats were? D Holdsworth 4,Tickle 3

i'd let Crooks take the Kicks hes already kicked 4 conversions this season probably in one match.

Good stats Hutchie. How many did Tickle miss though? Was it 66% of his attempts?

Not read the rest of the thread but a defeat (mathematically) down to goal kicks has been coming with DJ's recent kicking record. His success rate from the right hand side of the posts must be pretty abysmal this season. Time for a change - he's valuable to us in many ways but there are others who can kick goals - Westy or Crooks when Ticks isn't there.

Crooks in his last season in 20s dropped right off goal kicking wise. Think miller when tickle not about best bet. Prob just needs a bit longer getting adjusted to the new ball

The one in the first half was a terrible miss. The other three were from out wide and were difficult, however a decent goal kicker will hit 2 out of 3 of those most weeks.

No excuse for a poor performance, but a game we could have gotten away with if he'd kicked them.

There was only the Heremaia one that was a bad miss, though its hitting the unexpected ones that win games rather than lose them.

We've been spoilt with Tickle and Foster not missing goals over the past few years, it's a problem that could do with being sorted for next year.

1 out of 3 and I agree. And in theory, it would have been enough.

holdsworth kicked all from touch line against broncos earlier in season, its one of those things it come back to bite us, whiting, lynch, and watts cost us more, terrible defence in our 20. its few and far between holdsworth kicking will cost us, we have won games were we have been outscored before, always thought this was a bannana skin, cas were playing well, and plus side miller got full game and looked good in second half, this loss will be a small consilation if we go on to better things this season as miller gets better with the players, our attack was always going to be scratchy with a new player, onwords and upwords

Should have kept Foster instead of the useless pudding that is Crookes.

Foster's poor. If it wasn't for his goal-kicking he wouldn't be in SL.