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| Same as getting tested for flu that literally has zero effect on life with healthy people. Compare to August 2019 influenza testing which gave a 0.81% positive result rate, last weeks tests of what's being called Covid19, according to public health england was 0.55%, that includes Pillar one and two tests..
In England and Wales there are 5 times more people dying across the country FROM other respiratory diseases than those that have C.19 mentioned in the death certificate (that means they have not died FROM C.19 and pneumonia deaths are stil being attributed in the deaths column to C.19 as it has being throughout) the risk is tiny and less than any years flu at any time of the year and in every single previous year.
There is no need to self isolate, you might as well just cancel all human contact going forward at this rate, it's utterly insane and is killing more people through the actions taken than any virus itself could kill ultimately.
Aside from the threat being lower than flu, it's going to destroy the sport and others where no grass root sport is being allowed, this in turn has a huge effect on obesity which is the primary cause of so many serious ailments and deaths.
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| Any news on how many times have the clubs players being tested and what were their results over the last few weeks?
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| Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "Same as getting tested for flu that literally has zero effect on life with healthy people. Compare to August 2019 influenza testing which gave a 0.81% positive result rate, last weeks tests of what's being called Covid19, according to public health england was 0.55%, that includes Pillar one and two tests..
In England and Wales there are 5 times more people dying across the country FROM other respiratory diseases than those that have C.19 mentioned in the death certificate (that means they have not died FROM C.19 and pneumonia deaths are stil being attributed in the deaths column to C.19 as it has being throughout) the risk is tiny and less than any years flu at any time of the year and in every single previous year.
There is no need to self isolate, you might as well just cancel all human contact going forward at this rate, it's utterly insane and is killing more people through the actions taken than any virus itself could kill ultimately.
Aside from the threat being lower than flu, it's going to destroy the sport and others where no grass root sport is being allowed, this in turn has a huge effect on obesity which is the primary cause of so many serious ailments and deaths.'"
If you could that would be marvellous.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "If you could that would be marvellous.'"
If lockdown is so deadly (and I accept it has negative consequences), why did excess mortality fall the longer it went on? My belief is that it was because the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate fell.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "If lockdown is so deadly (and I accept it has negative consequences), why did excess mortality fall the longer it went on? My belief is that it was because the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate fell.'" ... and hospitals were also better able to cope with that drop in numbers.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "If you could that would be marvellous.'"
I know you and I have had our silly disagreements over time but that was a zinger, nicely played chap.
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "You want us to compare a % value per 10,000 population (which is itself a nonsense) for positive tests with a value per 100,000 for hospitalizations? That's taking apples an oranges to an extreme. If you're talking about a PCR test detecting specific 'dead organic material' (it's debatable whether viruses are a form of life, anyway) that isn't a false positive. It's how the test works. A false positive would be if you got a signal from your negative control, in which case the test has failed and would be rejected.
Based solely on your set up, it is impossible to tell. That sentence is 108 words, by the way, and pretty much impenetrable. Now, I've read a couple Gabriel Garcia Marquez novels. I'm not frightened of long sentences, but I can't p that bugger.
The genome of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been sequenced. There's been a big effort to get all published scientific material on the virus and disease available freely online.
That's it, spoil it with proper science, that's all you types ever do.
I did enjoy the literary reference and if I may be so bold, I would wager that "The Untouchables" by B. S. Johnson is easier to follow than this fellows prose and there's literally thousands of random orders that you can read that in.
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "I know you and I have had our silly disagreements over time but that was a zinger, nicely played chap.'"
All in the past and thank you, sir.
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Quote: Mild Rover "You want us to compare a % value per 10,000 population (which is itself a nonsense) for positive tests with a value per 100,000 for hospitalizations? That's taking apples an oranges to an extreme. If you're talking about a PCR test detecting specific 'dead organic material' (it's debatable whether viruses are a form of life, anyway) that isn't a false positive. It's how the test works. A false positive would be if you got a signal from your negative control, in which case the test has failed and would be rejected.
Based solely on your set up, it is impossible to tell. That sentence is 108 words, by the way, and pretty much impenetrable. Now, I've read a couple Gabriel Garcia Marquez novels. I'm not frightened of long sentences, but I can't p that bugger.
The genome of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been sequenced. There's been a big effort to get all published scientific material on the virus and disease available freely online.
I said a comparison % of test positives for covid v influenza at same time of year this year for C.19 and last year for influenza, bother to read correctly. 0.55% of all covid tests are + v 0.81% positive test rate for all flu tests. It's precisely the same comparison!
No gold standard ever established, the PCR test itself is the standard which is utter bunk!
You also get false positives because dead organic cells are dead, ergo cannot have any bearing on infection, WHO admit this is a massive flaw, yet still triggers a positive with the PCR test, it's not rocket science.
here, go educate yourself https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/cov ... aningless/ https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04 ... stic-test/
There's evidence that the markers of COVID exist in all human DNA
Basing your response on character/word length in a sentence is about all you've got isn't it The facts bear out that the risk is significantly less than for influenza in August last year (which is already very small) in terms of tests despite the mass testing by the millions, the number of deaths WITH a non isolated virus using a flawed test are dwarfed by other respiratory disease deaths were the persons have died FROM - as in underlying cause of death (the only way to accurately code a death on the register), the risk is tiny.
Excess deaths fell because people began to actually see to their vulnerable relatives, those already left to rot, left to DNR, died of their underlying health conditions (as per Neil ferguson's own words back in March), the excess deaths flattened. people were not dying of C.19 in the first instance. If you remove healthcare in hospitals, remove staff from critical care wards by the thousands to man Covid wards (A government edict produced in an NHS document stating precisely that), remove care in care homes and in the wider community, making people fearful to even seek emergency care, stop essential procedures (my stepdaughters friend is now going to die because her cancer treatments were stopped) then you get a lot of people dying from their underlying conditions. Testing positive post death with that flawed test, or no test at all, or attributing C.19 instead of pneumonia (again another gov edict to change how death certificates were filed in) is yet more bunk in terms of fudging the death toll and making out that most of the deaths were FROM C.19 when they simply weren't.
There are massively fewer people to die, even ONS state that the levelling off is due to the fact that people dying prematurely with their underlying health condition means a drop in deaths!
Wake up for gods sakes
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Quote: Mild Rover "You want us to compare a % value per 10,000 population (which is itself a nonsense) for positive tests with a value per 100,000 for hospitalizations? That's taking apples an oranges to an extreme. If you're talking about a PCR test detecting specific 'dead organic material' (it's debatable whether viruses are a form of life, anyway) that isn't a false positive. It's how the test works. A false positive would be if you got a signal from your negative control, in which case the test has failed and would be rejected.
Based solely on your set up, it is impossible to tell. That sentence is 108 words, by the way, and pretty much impenetrable. Now, I've read a couple Gabriel Garcia Marquez novels. I'm not frightened of long sentences, but I can't p that bugger.
The genome of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been sequenced. There's been a big effort to get all published scientific material on the virus and disease available freely online.
I said a comparison % of test positives for covid v influenza at same time of year this year for C.19 and last year for influenza, bother to read correctly. 0.55% of all covid tests are + v 0.81% positive test rate for all flu tests. It's precisely the same comparison!
No gold standard ever established, the PCR test itself is the standard which is utter bunk!
You also get false positives because dead organic cells are dead, ergo cannot have any bearing on infection, WHO admit this is a massive flaw, yet still triggers a positive with the PCR test, it's not rocket science.
here, go educate yourself https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/cov ... aningless/ https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04 ... stic-test/
There's evidence that the markers of COVID exist in all human DNA
Basing your response on character/word length in a sentence is about all you've got isn't it The facts bear out that the risk is significantly less than for influenza in August last year (which is already very small) in terms of tests despite the mass testing by the millions, the number of deaths WITH a non isolated virus using a flawed test are dwarfed by other respiratory disease deaths were the persons have died FROM - as in underlying cause of death (the only way to accurately code a death on the register), the risk is tiny.
Excess deaths fell because people began to actually see to their vulnerable relatives, those already left to rot, left to DNR, died of their underlying health conditions (as per Neil ferguson's own words back in March), the excess deaths flattened. people were not dying of C.19 in the first instance. If you remove healthcare in hospitals, remove staff from critical care wards by the thousands to man Covid wards (A government edict produced in an NHS document stating precisely that), remove care in care homes and in the wider community, making people fearful to even seek emergency care, stop essential procedures (my stepdaughters friend is now going to die because her cancer treatments were stopped) then you get a lot of people dying from their underlying conditions. Testing positive post death with that flawed test, or no test at all, or attributing C.19 instead of pneumonia (again another gov edict to change how death certificates were filed in) is yet more bunk in terms of fudging the death toll and making out that most of the deaths were FROM C.19 when they simply weren't.
There are massively fewer people to die, even ONS state that the levelling off is due to the fact that people dying prematurely with their underlying health condition means a drop in deaths!
Wake up for gods sakes
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| Quote: 48756c6c20 524c4643 "I said a comparison % of test positives for covid v influenza at same time of year this year for C.19 and last year for influenza, bother to read correctly. 0.55% of all covid tests are + v 0.81% positive test rate for all flu tests. It's precisely the same comparison!
No gold standard ever established, the PCR test itself is the standard which is utter bunk!
You also get false positives because dead organic cells are dead, ergo cannot have any bearing on infection, WHO admit this is a massive flaw, yet still triggers a positive with the PCR test, it's not rocket science.
here, go educate yourself
Thank you for sharing the links - they explain a lot about how you came to your conclusions. It is an online world I have heard of but not seen before. While it holds a certain scary fascination, I’ll stick with more traditional sources of evidence and interpretation.
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| Well thank christ there's a rugby match coming soon
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| Catalans v Leeds on Monday 7th has been postponed due to the Dragons being quarantined.
It's going to be a real issue fitting all these rearranged games in should there be any more clubs with positive tests.
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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
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