Plus anyone get the deja vu feeling.. Knocked catalan out challenge cup - got to final..

Knock catalan out play offs - Grand Final??

Steady now. However,if we come up against Wire and do the same you may have a point.

If the players still haven't got his plays after nearly 2 years either he's completely useless at getting his message across or his plays are too complex for anyone to understand. Either way he needs to sort it out. I also see no real evidence we are trying any set plays

Or the players are too stupid to understand?

Quick to judge Gentle.. But he can only teach, the players need to learn.

Regarding Set Plays, the players have tried some from the scrum and off penalties of which ive seen this season.

Makes him pretty stupid for persisting with it for 2 years then

Gentle has had nearly 2 years so hardly quick. Re set moves I mean evidence of structured moves in the opposition 20 metre area

The blind side move that Whiting scored from in the semi is a set move. We also have the left shift that virtually every team uses. It's the quality of the execution under pressure that leaves a lot to be desired which is disappointing.

Not saying we never use them and you're right, when we do, we generally look slow and ponderous, however we seem to have less use of them than other teams

Good observation Redboy, totally agree. + Westy has now had 2 good games simply hitting the line hard and at pace, like a 2nd rower should.

Well we know the ball back inside move .

How can you take defence back to basics? That's what i didnt understand from Gentle's interview - although it was outstanding at times. When we defend aggressively we look good, just doesnt happen enough!

Pelissier has been charged by the RFL for standing on Heremaia. No charge for the spear tackle similar to the one by Heremaia at Wembley which copped him a ban. In other news, Briers charged for punching Ablett. www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary

Pelissier has been charged by the RFL for standing on Heremaia. No charge for the spear tackle similar to the one by Heremaia at Wembley which copped him a ban. In other news, Briers charged for punching Ablett. www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary

Eloi Pelissier of Catalan Dragons has been charged with the Grade A offence of standing on an opponent in the 57th minute of the Super League elimination play-off against Hull FC.

He actually tries it in the 53rd minute as well about 10m out from our line - think it was Tickle or Watts that he tries to do it to, but they are in the act of running away from the PTB so he couldnt connect properly