11 pages and no one has mentioned the ref. I thought he had a good game last night. Let the game flow without all the laying on. Even Mr Albeirt had a good game.

That's why.

A referee should not be mentioned after a game, it's not about him and they should not be noticed. The fact that they usually are simply reflects upon the fact that they are not doing their job properly.

we won our first 5 games playing this way, we then lost a game by 1 point maybe Agar thought to just give it one more chance. Now it hasn't worked 2 weeks in a row maybe now he will change it.

Here's something I posted last night on the Wigan site.

It's time to stop kicking the ball dead from 40 - 50 metres and gaining an advantage.

Watching the game tonight Quins about five times just kicked the ball dead when "attacking" from 50 metres.

Hull then had to get all their players behind the 20 metre line, while Quinns only had to get to the 30 metre.

It was a reward for a poor kick "Great tactics according to Stevo"

IMO it should be an optional restart either from the place the ball was kicked or the 20 metre line.

We have played the same way! just the last 2 games we lost the forward battle! and anyone who thinks this wasn't the way we played in the first 5 were blinded by the victories.

I simply don't agree. We started like it against Wigan but steadily improved up to the Bradford game where we attacked very well.

Check back on my posts if you like, I wasn't blinded by the wins as I voiced some concerns even when we were winning. But to say that we played the same in the first 5 as we did last night is just an exaggeration IMO.

Isn't your second option what happens? Im assuming this is to give benefit to the short kick.

Will you be recommending line-outs next.

Back on track Quins dont seem to be receiving much credit for out smarting an "inform" Hull side. Not pretty but in the conditions effective tactics. No rule says throw it about.

I think you're both right to a degree. We were excellent against Bradford a game I fully enjoyed watching. Against Cas we dropped the ball too often and they played well with the extra possession. yesterday we were nowhere near in the pack and had little platform.

Pretty much how I see it. I'm not saying we threw the ball about all over the place for free-flowing stuff in the first 5 games, but we did actually try different tactics they just didn't always come off. It was actually part of the reason we dropped so much ball against Cas. Last night we didn't even attempt anything approaching inventive, that's the difference.

It,s simple. We've been found out. Any worthy coach just closes our halves down and they know we have nothing else. When we get some time there is no communication between halves and backs. I remember at least 3 times last night a short kick went in and the backs were stood back expecting the pass so they were able to gather in goal and comfortably bring the ball away under no pressure.

Whoooooah........easy there Dan!!!! NOTHING is THAT boring!

What i'm saying is that in all our games we have started with the same game plan, to get on top down the middle thus allowing our halves and backs some freedom. Now we have been found out and teams know how to nullify us.