Not sure Smith has a clue how to get us out of this mess, which is a real worry.

I wouldn't be bothered we released any player from the main squad or if Smith quit right now.

Just can't see another win, Wakey and Cas are rubbish, but they have some fight at least.

It's time for the 9 match Barometer prediction TF. Will we finish 11th?

Even blind Freddie can see where we are 9th is the guide to where we finish give or take 1 spot up and down !

Unless there is a momentous paradigm shift such as Wakey had when they hired John Kear

I still have to question Smiths definition of
Trying

I haven’t seen the tries yet but I will list the lack of effort and it will take a lot of finger tapping !!

Come on Tony - please don’t treat us stupid !
Of course they’re not trying as hard as they can FFS we are a utter embarrassment

It's not that they aren't trying, many of them are just not good enough and last night that included both halves and the hooker so little wonder we are where we are.

Watch all the tries Leeds scored and see if defensively they tried hard enough ?

Watch the whole match and watch the small things - winning the ruck, supporting the ball runner , chasing kicks etc etc

Can't believe some are calling for Smiths head. Happened with Radford and Hodgson. Let the man get on with his job..We are not good enough ATM.

Leeds fan in peace…..thought that Litten at FB was great….caused us problems nearly every time we kicked to him..had several amazing kick returns

I'm hoping want Smith says outwardly regarding the player's effort does not reflect his true inward thoughts regarding this inept, spineless team we currently have (not every player).

We can all see it's a team just going through the motions with very few prepared to bend their backs.

The concern for me is that at the moment who is going to committ to the club. Its not as if we can say to players we will be in Super League next season.

Its a combinations of alot of things for me but its a worry when going into the recruitment field we cant guarntee contracts. Such a mess really.

Smith is different behind closed doors.

Some of these players have no shame. Their plan seems to be put on the shirt, run on to the pitch and do sweet f a. Look at the likes of Litten and see a world of difference. There will be other lads waiting for their chance and the sooner they're given that chance the better. Our season seems to have now come down to comparing our results to Wakey's as that's the only way we can avoid relegation.

Speaks for itself that the only player that walks away from that game with any credit is a 19 year old kid. Have to say hindsight is proving that our laid back approach to pre season has bitten us on the . All well and good coming into a season “undercooked” but now here we are 9 games in, and are the players any fitter? Are they playing with more invention or flare? Simply put, no. Constantly blowing and offer nothing getting out of yardage.

I just don’t get what is going on at the moment, one minute we are told Savelio is dropped for the derby/Leeds, the next it turns out he had an injury. It’s as if they think they can just make things up as they go along and take us loyal supporters who stand in the p**sing rain for a bunch of mugs. Again, communication is awful.

Get to an extent why Smith wanted to leave Sutcliffe/Carlos in centres, but bloody hell, if he hasn’t seen now that Lovodua isn’t a half back then when will he?

I see no fight in them, it’s like if we concede first it’s the game over and their heads go down, what a pathetic mentality and one that needs addressing sharply otherwise is goodbye Leeds, hello Whitehaven

None were good enough at the time, I genuinely believe had they stayed at FC they wouldn’t be half the players they are now, they’d have continued to believe their own hype and stagnated like numerous current players.

It took for them to be released to give them the motivation to turn their potential into performance. Abdull and Lewis particularity have a huge chip on their shoulder, you could tell in their interviews before the derby, being released hurt them but they got their heads down and became better players for it.

I didn’t go yesterday and didn’t even listen on radio as I decided not to let it ruin my night for a change so I can’t really comment on the performance

But I’m going to disagree with a lot of people on here. I do think our players are trying. They’re not good enough and it’s just a bunch of players, not a team.

Rovers for example are just a solid team, tackle aggressively as a unit and build from there. We just have a bunch of individuals with 0 resilience

On serious about rugby league tony smith has explained the cause of hulls demise,its not the players fault its social media putting pressure on them.Well thanks for clearing that up for us tony,im sure hull fans will feel a bit better now.