FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Hull FC > Smith - should he stay or should he go?
574 posts in 39 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Kosh , Roland_R , Karen
RankPostsTeam
International Star4243
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201312 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



We've had 9 permanent coaches in SL. This is taken from the HDM and RL Project and I haven't checked the veracity of the stats so they may not be accurate but here we go;

1st, Shaun McRae: 2000-04, 56%Played 158 - Won 89 - Drew 8 - Lost 61
2nd, John Kear: 2005-06, 55%Played 43 - Won 24 - Drew 2 - Lost 17
3rd, Peter Sharp: 2006-08, 55%Played 68 - Won 38 - Drew 3 - Lost 27
4th, Peter Gentle: 2012-13, 53%Played 64 - Won 34 - Drew 4 - Lost 26
5th, Lee Radford: 2014-2020, 50%Played 202 - Won 101 - Drew 3 - Lost 98
6th, Richard Agar: 2006 & 2008-11, 46%Played 108 - Won 50 - Drew 1 - Lost 57
7th, Brett Hodgson: 2021-22, 41%Played 53 - Won 22 - Drew 1 - Lost 30
8th, Tony Smith: 2023 - to date 35% Played 34 - Won 12 - Lost 22
9th, Peter Walsh: 1998-99, 28%Played 39 - Won 11 - Drew 0 - Lost 28

*Andy Last: 2020, 57%Played 14 - Won 8 - Lost 6

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player493No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 20223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Marcus's Bicycle "We've had 9 permanent coaches in SL. This is taken from the HDM and RL Project and I haven't checked the veracity of the stats so they may not be accurate but here we go;

1st, Shaun McRae

The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member2229No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200322 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Hullrealist "The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17'"


You've got to include the dross either side of those years that radders also served up

RankPostsTeam
Junior Player367
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 20241 year
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: mwindass "People, me included, thought Pearson wouldn't sack Hodgson. We're a worse team now. Something will have to give eventually.'"


I wonder how much of that was to do with it being the end of the season and the need to start selling passes soon to a despondent fanbase that was in need of a boost, plus the fact that Smith was available.

Whereas now we are still at the start of a season so it's different circumstances. There's no relegation and given our provisional IMG grading, I think it's pretty safe to say that we are in Super League next year. What it probably really depends on right now is if Pearson genuinely believes what he said in pre-season about us contending for the playoffs because we're a long way away from playoff contention based on results so far. If Pearson has genuine belief that the playoffs are achievable then he's probably going to have to act sooner rather than later because, as you say, something will have to give eventually.

But if he was just blowing smoke to boost pass sales then he will probably give Smith time to turn things around and see where we are as the season progresses.

RankPostsTeam
Junior Player367
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 20241 year
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Hullrealist "The craziest thing there is how low Radders is with the squad we had in 16/17'"


People tend to gloss over a lot of Radders tenure because of the cup victories. The years prior to that were pretty woeful and so was 18/19 and the start of 20. Although he was dealt a poor hand in 18 due to that injury crisis.

RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player493No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 20223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Roam Ranger "People tend to gloss over a lot of Radders tenure because of the cup victories. The years prior to that were pretty woeful and so was 18/19 and the start of 20. Although he was dealt a poor hand in 18 due to that injury crisis.'"


I’d argue 2016-2019 probably still better sides than any of those coaches ever had. We had an unreal side and only managed to win a cup that’s realistically a lottery (although we did do it with the worst draws possible)

RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player892No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 20223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



It's criminal the 16/17 squads didn't at least get to a Grand Final in my view.

RankPostsTeam
Junior Player367
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 20241 year
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Hullrealist "I’d argue 2016-2019 probably still better sides than any of those coaches ever had. We had an unreal side and only managed to win a cup that’s realistically a lottery (although we did do it with the worst draws possible)'"


16/17 definitely the strongest sides we have had in SL since 05/06. I always thought when I saw that 16 squad assembled in particular that something special was on the cards for us. 18 is difficult to judge as we were decimated by injury but it was essentially the same squad as 16/17 and I think we were competing the first half of that season before it all caught up with us. Then in 19 it looked like injuries and age had taken their toll on a few.

Quote: Hullrealist "It's criminal the 16/17 squads didn't at least get to a Grand Final in my view.'"


Agreed. 16 was probably the best chance but then again maybe it was 17 when they had the previous years experience under their belt and should have kicked on.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach536
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Pretty grim reading on here, but sadly all too true !

That did look like a not trying show on Saturday, no line speed, woeful tackle technique, rubbish kicking, no attacking shape ...............

It is clear now that the squad rebuild aimed to destroy the 'cancer' in the club has failed. Really feel for DH, sure he is on a much reduced salary this year, the plan was supposedly to use him sparingly before moving him into coaching ? BUT we didn't sign the players to enable that so he gets flogged to death one more season !!

Hoped the replacements would be improvements or at least similar to those leaving, BUT Tindall for Swift ? Pele for Satae ? Brown for Clifford ? Ese Ese & Ashworth look okay but the rest are just downgrades.

Money clearly the issue, not sure changing the coach will help ?

All part of the despair of being an FC fan.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7788No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201411 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Dave K. "Think Smith has the next two games and has to win one of them, but I don't think we will, I think we will have a battling defeat next week, fans happy with the effort etc (which is getting really boring), then battered in the derby the week after.

Think Pearson has 3 choices,

Backs Smith, gives him some money to bring players in (pay off Carlos, brings in a 7) and tries to sign a domestic centre.
Sacks Smith and brings in someone like Wane, give him 2 years to sort out the culture, but task him with finding a replacement like he did at Wigan with Peat.
He puts the club up for sale.

If he doesn't do one of these things, think we are in big trouble next year, pass sales down, we will start to lose the like of Staveley and Martin, constant decline and could see the club heading the way of Bradford.

I've defended Pearson and he has gone some very good things, but he has just about lost all of the good will.'"


The fact that Pearson hasnt sacked Smith this morning shows what a weak position he is actually in.
Little point in giving Smith two more games which will prove nothing.
The club is in a very deep hole and Pearson knows it.
His options are do i try and galvanize the fans by taking action and finding the money to pay Tinkering Tony and his crew off or do run with the current state of affairs knowing the club will not be relegated and fans money is in the bank.
Seems to me his financial restrictions will steer him to make the wrong choice again

RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player892No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 20223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Hard to believe it was only a few months ago AP was telling us that brighter and prosperous days were ahead once the Covid Loan was paid. Any news on that by the way? Quite a substantial matter for the club and yet complete silence, should it not be paid by now? Early 2024 was his words, we are now nearing April. Its almost feels as if he's lied to us...again.

RankPostsTeam
International Star7788No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 201411 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: HU8HFC "Hard to believe it was only a few months ago AP was telling us that brighter and prosperous days were ahead once the Covid Loan was paid. Any news on that by the way? Quite a substantial matter for the club and yet complete silence, should it not be paid by now? Early 2024 was his words, we are now nearing April. Its almost feels as if he's lied to us...again.'"


Pearson Lie to us?
still waiting for my jar of jam

RankPostsTeam
Junior Player367
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 20241 year
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: bonaire "Pearson Lie to us?
still waiting for my jar of jam'"


It's always due tomorrow.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach536
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Seems to me his financial restrictions will steer him to make the wrong choice again'"
]

Not sure AP has much of a choice to make, he cant spend what he doesn't have.

Oh for that wealthy benefactor to ride up on a white charger....................

RankPostsTeam
International Star2456
JoinedServiceReputation
May 201114 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: HU8HFC "Hard to believe it was only a few months ago AP was telling us that brighter and prosperous days were ahead once the Covid Loan was paid. Any news on that by the way? Quite a substantial matter for the club and yet complete silence, should it not be paid by now? Early 2024 was his words, we are now nearing April. Its almost feels as if he's lied to us...again.'"

I was under the impression it’s getting sorted October time?

574 posts in 39 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Kosh , Roland_R , Karen
574 posts in 39 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, Kosh , Roland_R , Karen



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


9.18505859375:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
4049
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
518
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
18s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
4049
23s
Film game
karetaker
5766
35s
Rumours and signings v9
Mark_P1973
28902
40s
Shopping list for 2025
HU8HFC
5588
44s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63268
54s
Fixtures 2025
Wigan Bull
10
54s
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
518
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2611
1m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
2m
How many games will we win
Shifty Cat
48
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
TODAY
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
TODAY
Writers required
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.65M 1,356 ↑19080,15614,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 Thu 13th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Fri 14th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
20:00
Hull KR
v
Castleford
20:00
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sat 15th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
St.Helens
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R1
18:00
Toulouse
v
Widnes
 Sun 16th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R1
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
       Championship 2025-R1
15:00
Bradford
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Doncaster
15:00
Oldham
v
York
15:00
Sheffield
v
Halifax
15:00
Barrow
v
Hunslet
 Thu 20th Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Wakefield
v
Hull KR
 Fri 21st Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
20:00
Warrington
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 22nd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
15:00
Salford
v
Leeds
20:00
Castleford
v
St.Helens
 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R2
14:30
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
       League One 2025-R1
15:00
Cornwall
v
Workington
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Crusaders
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
9m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
4049
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
518
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
18s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
ComeOnYouUll
4049
23s
Film game
karetaker
5766
35s
Rumours and signings v9
Mark_P1973
28902
40s
Shopping list for 2025
HU8HFC
5588
44s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63268
54s
Fixtures 2025
Wigan Bull
10
54s
Transfer Talk V5
Once were Lo
518
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2611
1m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
2m
How many games will we win
Shifty Cat
48
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Shirt reveal coming soon
Khlav Kalash
2
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Getting a new side to gel
Wigan Bull
2
TODAY
Fixtures
Hockley Bron
12
TODAY
Writers required
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!