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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Well that's pretty clear, but why did you think anything that comes out of the HDM is accurate and how did you get to your £2.5M less income over that period? because even with a 1,000 per match average drop over 4 years that still wouldn't tally up, not even close.
'" 1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k).
So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game.
In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5.
If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.
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| Quote: ccs "1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k).
So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game.
In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5.
If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.'"
You need to go back to school and learn some basic maths.
Aggregate attendaces, that's how many actually were counted by THE CLUB each year, if you don't believe me you can check it for yourself except you couldn't be d and are now making yourself look foolish.
Here you go
2011 12513, 10422, 11032, 11856, 11346, 19754, 11933, 11274, 11139, 11699, 11729, 10739, 16121 Agg 161,557
2012 12710, 10096, 11105, 10705, 11673, 18979, 11549, 11677, 11727, 11412, 10776, 10769, 11607 Agg 154,515
2013 10952, 10712, 11852, 19064, 10065, 11403, 11490, 11901, 10000, 10986, 10500, 11180, 11250 Agg 151,355
2014 10178, 11307, 10386, 9821, 9515, 9538, 10088, 10539, 12328, 9959, 10214. 18104, 11964 Agg 143,891
2015 12002, 10887, 20507, 11994, 9295, 9930, 9385, 10320, 9558, 10949, 10787, 10649, 9322, 10832 Agg 156,417
We had two home play off games, one in 2012, the other in 2013, we did not have a play off game in 2011 so we had that extra income (not included in pass sales rememeber!) & actually the aggregate was higher in 2012 than 2011. And yes we have had the extra home game included in the pass this year but I never once said this wasn't the case.
If you can't accept the facts that's your problem and you're in denial that certain people are making stuff up, keep beleiving in their fairy stories!
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| Quote: ccs "1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k).
So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game.
In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5.
If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.'"
So we've lost 10,000 fans per game? Are you pearson's business adviser
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "So we've lost 10,000 fans per game? Are you pearson's business adviser'" You're as bad as bumpy - read what I said.
We've lost 10k fans over a period of 4 years for every single game.
1k down 4 years ago means a total of 4k didn't go over a period of 4 years to every game.
Another 1k down 3 years ago means 3k didn't go over a period of 3 years to every game.
etc
Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game.
And if bumpy is reading this, I was replying to your comment...
Quote: Jake the Peg "how did you get to your £2.5M less income over that period? because even with a 1,000 per match average drop over 4 years....'"
so you need to go back to school and learn how to read.
Hope you don't feel too foolish, but you must be used to it by now.
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| The problem is Pearson forgets we have been here longer than him, some more than others. Look at the team we had under Agar, it was pitiful to watch. Yet here we are years down the line with another clown in charge. I really don't want to be pessimistic but the majority of fans are walking cause of the coach, the new signings look great but if the captain of the ship should really be down in the galley cooking breakfast then the whole job is b%ll%ed.
As someone has already said if you brought a top coach in tomorrow he would sell a couple of thousand passes without even opening his mouth.
Look at Cas, man for man who would you swap from our team, not many, yet they consistently perform at a much higher level and compete with an inferior team. That's because they have a coach
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| Quote: Armavinit "Read the post, I wrote "not a good comparison, I admit". I'm not trying to deflect anything onto anyone. Hate to admit it but I'm a secret admirer of "He who shall not be named" for his dedication and support of his team. We could do with a few like minded sponsors at FC. We've got enough knee jerk responders of our own on this board, without you chiming in. Sorry for any offence caused.'"
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Why apologise? Typical chip on shoulder vitriolic response from bitter and twisted rovers fan.
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| Quote: hull smallears "]
Why apologise? Typical chip on shoulder vitriolic response from bitter and twisted rovers fan.'"
Just trying to be polite and avoid the SERIOUSLY SAD ear bashing I got last time I posted
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "You need to go back to school and learn some basic maths.
Aggregate attendaces, that's how many actually were counted by THE CLUB each year, if you don't believe me you can check it for yourself except you couldn't be d and are now making yourself look foolish.
Here you go
2011 12513, 10422, 11032, 11856, 11346, 19754, 11933, 11274, 11139, 11699, 11729, 10739, 16121 Agg 161,557
2012 12710, 10096, 11105, 10705, 11673, 18979, 11549, 11677, 11727, 11412, 10776, 10769, 11607 Agg 154,515
2013 10952, 10712, 11852, 19064, 10065, 11403, 11490, 11901, 10000, 10986, 10500, 11180, 11250 Agg 151,355
2014 10178, 11307, 10386, 9821, 9515, 9538, 10088, 10539, 12328, 9959, 10214. 18104, 11964 Agg 143,891
2015 12002, 10887, 20507, 11994, 9295, 9930, 9385, 10320, 9558, 10949, 10787, 10649, 9322, 10832 Agg 156,417
We had two home play off games, one in 2012, the other in 2013, we did not have a play off game in 2011 so we had that extra income (not included in pass sales rememeber!) & actually the aggregate was higher in 2012 than 2011. And yes we have had the extra home game included in the pass this year but I never once said this wasn't the case.
If you can't accept the facts that's your problem and you're in denial that certain people are making stuff up, keep beleiving in their fairy stories!
I think what ccs means is something like this (using totally hypothetical figures as I cba looking anything up):
2011 - ave att of 14,000 per game
2012 - 13,000
2013 - 12,000
2014 - 11,000
2015 - 10,000
Using again a completely made up figures of £15 per person and 13 home games a year:
vs 2015's average:
2011 - 4,000 x 13 x £15
2012 - 3,000 x 13 x £15
2013 - 2,000 x 13 x £15
2014 - 1,000 x 13 x £15
So, he's saying over a 4-year period, 2015 vs 2011 if we'd have kept gate receipts at 2011's level, we'd have £x more in the bank. Not saying he or the figures are correct mind, just that's how he's done his workings
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| Not commented on this subject until now
Ultimately im disappointed with the team, more so with pearson sticking with radford, still not cutting it for me
It wont stop me renewing next season as i am thankful we gave a team to support atm, its easy to criticise pearson on his decisions interviews etc but ateod nobody else would have bought the club or looks like buying the club
Weve had lloyd who was far worse than Pearson, kath and her cronies who had no intention of taking the club futher or investing into it, out of those who would people want?
You cant force people to buy passes but whilst not agreeing with what pearson said about fans killing the club if we dont turn up, we are part of that jigsaw that keeps the club going, so in a way we are hurting our club by not renewing, which everyone has the right not too, but our investment is atm a fraction of what pearson has put in
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Except the figures I've stated are taken straight from the club itself which clearly show that the drop is nothing like what the HDM state. Given the increases in pass costs - 2011 the cheapest was £195 I think, this season it was £260, juniors is now £90, in 2011 it was £45 IIRC the total net revenue is not that much difference and not even close to being the £2.5M ccs keeps banging on about.
It's royally hacked me off the way Pearson is making out he's a pauper and that he's saying in a veiled way the future of the club is in the fans hands and by not turning up we (the fans) are putting the club in jeopardy, I find that extremely offensive!
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "D&GM
Except the figures I've stated are taken straight from the club itself which clearly show that the drop is nothing like what the HDM state. Given the increases in pass costs - 2011 the cheapest was £195 I think, this season it was £260, juniors is now £90, in 2011 it was £45 IIRC the total net revenue is not that much difference and not even close to being the £2.5M '"
As I said, I'm just helping to explain what ccs mean't, where his 10k came from, and the working he probably used.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "D&GM
Except the figures I've stated are taken straight from the club itself which clearly show that the drop is nothing like what the HDM state. Given the increases in pass costs - 2011 the cheapest was £195 I think, this season it was £260, juniors is now £90, in 2011 it was £45 IIRC the total net revenue is not that much difference and not even close to being the £2.5M ccs keeps banging on about.
It's royally hacked me off the way Pearson is making out he's a pauper and that he's saying in a veiled way the future of the club is in the fans hands and by not turning up we (the fans) are putting the club in jeopardy, I find that extremely offensive!'"
Lets face it. You find many things offensive, particularly those people who don't agree with your view of things.
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| Quote: ccs "You're as bad as bumpy - read what I said.
We've lost 10k fans over a period of 4 years for every single game.
1k down 4 years ago means a total of 4k didn't go over a period of 4 years to every game.
Another 1k down 3 years ago means 3k didn't go over a period of 3 years to every game.
etc
Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game.
And if bumpy is reading this, I was replying to your comment...
so you need to go back to school and learn how to read.
Hope you don't feel too foolish, but you must be used to it by now.'"
I think you need to have a sit down and think about what you're trying to say. In 2011, our average attendance was 12400 according to bumpy's figures, which I assume are correct. Are you suggesting we've lost 10k of these attendees every game for the last 4 years?
The real flaw in your "logic" (Ignoring the fact that your 14k to 10k attendances never happened), is that you're counting people multiple times. Of the 4k who supposedly no longer attend, you're counting them all as not being at every game, plus 3k of them again for 2 years, 2k for 3 years and 1k for 4 years. If you can't see that's plainly wrong then you really shouldn;t be questioning the intelligence of anyone else
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I think you need to have a sit down and think about what you're trying to say. In 2011, our average attendance was 12400 according to bumpy's figures, which I assume are correct. Are you suggesting we've lost 10k of these attendees every game for the last 4 years?
The real flaw in your "logic" (Ignoring the fact that your 14k to 10k attendances never happened), is that you're counting people multiple times. Of the 4k who supposedly no longer attend, you're counting them all as not being at every game, plus 3k of them again for 2 years, 2k for 3 years and 1k for 4 years. If you can't see that's plainly wrong then you really shouldn;t be questioning the intelligence of anyone else'"
I think he is trying to say £250 x 10,000 is £2.5m. So I guess 2500 passes per annum @ £250.
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