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| Arundel will probably be loaned out at a realistic wage with us picking up the rest. It won't count on our cap and may be our only option. Can't be many clubs running at a surplus on the cap to afford it.
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| Quote: bonaire "The problem we have with both Arundel and Crooks as players is that they are both poor tacklers.That said when you have young players who are deficient in an area of the game the club/coach should spend time with them to improve the technique.
Salary should not be an issue used solely to get rid of a player.'"
Arundel's tackling isn't as bad as is made out, IMO. It was very poor in his first game, but I wonder how much of that might have been lack of confidence in his shoulder.
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| If we'd played the players we had at the beginning of the season/pre season in the positions that they expected to play and in the pecking order that their deals suggested it is possible that players like Miller and Arundel as well as Crooks may have developed the confidence in themselves and , importantly , each other which could have led to better performances. We're talking about a team game here where one player relies on his mate and vice versa. Difficult if the player next to you changes every week. The best players can generally make mistakes or have bad games but still maintain enough confidence to keep trying to make things happen and playing the way they think is right. They can't do that if they're in one week and out the next. Would we be in a worse position now if Miller and Rankin had been our starting halves , if Arundel and Crooks had been our starting centres and persevered with? It's highly unlikely and we'd at least know pretty much for certain now whether those players could hack it or not. What is absolutely certain is that any alternative coaching strategy to Radford's would have struggled to produce a worse season.
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| If Ben Crooks was to go, I reckon we would have another Danny Brough situation on our hands.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Depends, I don't know the full ins and outs of how it works. Is it linked to how much a player earns (e.g. 50% up to a maximum of £50k), or just as long as a qualifying player earns over £50k you can claim the lot? If it's the latter, you might as well look at a player's full wage, as unless you get rid of them all you're going to get the £50k, and if none of them are worth their wage you're doing something very wrong.'"
You are correct. It is the first instance... 50% of their wage (combined if more than one player) upto a maximum of £50k. Do this year Horne, Whiting and Yeaman would have exceeded that limit, IMO. But next year I would hope we struggle because if those two are on £100k between them it highlights the mess we are in!!
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| Quote: ChrisH "If we'd played the players we had at the beginning of the season/pre season in the positions that they expected to play and in the pecking order that their deals suggested it is possible that players like Miller and Arundel as well as Crooks may have developed the confidence in themselves and , importantly , each other which could have led to better performances. We're talking about a team game here where one player relies on his mate and vice versa. Difficult if the player next to you changes every week. The best players can generally make mistakes or have bad games but still maintain enough confidence to keep trying to make things happen and playing the way they think is right. They can't do that if they're in one week and out the next. Would we be in a worse position now if Miller and Rankin had been our starting halves , if Arundel and Crooks had been our starting centres and persevered with? It's highly unlikely and we'd at least know pretty much for certain now whether those players could hack it or not. What is absolutely certain is that any alternative coaching strategy to Radford's would have struggled to produce a worse season.'"
Bloody good point Chris......
Maybe playing Miller, Rankin, Arundel and Crooks (when fit) would have seen us in a better position than where we are now! Radford must have known the season was over a month ago, so he should have ditched Horne and played players with potential futures or contracts for next season, instead of a player retiring. 1 thing for sure though is that if these 4 had been playing together, and we were in the same position as find ourselves now, they'd be crucified.
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| Quote: GM1 "Bloody good point Chris......
Maybe playing Miller, Rankin, Arundel and Crooks (when fit) would have seen us in a better position than where we are now! Radford must have known the season was over a month ago, so he should have ditched Horne and played players with potential futures or contracts for next season, instead of a player retiring. 1 thing for sure though is that if these 4 had been playing together, and we were in the same position as find ourselves now, they'd be crucified.'"
It's worth bearing in mind that a number of people were calling for Radford's head at that point. Sacking off the season and experimenting with youth rather than focusing on results is not what you do if you are worried about keeping your job.
When coaches are under pressure they don't always make the best decisions for the future of the club.
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| The Arundel situation sums things up for me .
Inept management of the salary cap over the last 3 seasons have lead to this.
Massive wages to average/below average signings . AP was hoodwinked big style by McRae , Gentle and Howes.
Lets hope this mess can be sorted out . Next season is massive for the first team in terms of improvement on the pitch.
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| Quote: HFC Boy "The Arundel situation sums things up for me .
Inept management of the salary cap over the last 3 seasons have lead to this.
Massive wages to average/below average signings . AP was hoodwinked big style by McRae , Gentle and Howes.
Lets hope this mess can be sorted out . Next season is massive for the first team in terms of improvement on the pitch.'"
Last 3 seasons?????
more like last 8 FFS
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| Im just really baffled how Radford can still be in a Job and Im sure even if kr beat us 60-0 he would still have a Job.
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| Quote: frepneyboy "Last 3 seasons?????
more like last 8 FFS'"
Very true !! I was being a bit polite to them there !!
The list of names is too large to try and write !!
Kath Hetherington should be added to the McRae list !!
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| Quote: Mr-Benz "Im just really baffled how Radford can still be in a Job and Im sure even if kr beat us 60-0 he would still have a Job.'"
Radford was given the job, because Pearson had sacked his knowledge on RL ,in McRae and Gentle.
He put his trust in McRae when he bought the Club. McRae massively let him down.
Pearson was alone at the end of last season , with no vast knowledge or contacts in RL to advise him.
Hence the poor appointment of Radford .
If Hull FC were a football Club , with his knowledge and contacts in that sport, a top class manager would have been brought in .
Not an assistant of 1 season , with no Coaching experience apart from amateur level !!
Again , a big mistake by Pearson. He would have been better giving the job to Louis Van Gaal !!!
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| Quote: HFC Boy " He would have been better giving the job to Louis Van Gaal !!!'" ....who is clearly not even experienced enough to manage Manchester United.
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| Quote: HFC Boy "
If Hull FC were a football Club , with his knowledge and contacts in that sport, a top class manager would have been brought in .
Not an assistant of 1 season , with no Coaching experience apart from amateur level !!
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Not sure about that , wasn't it Pearson that brought Nick Barmby in at City?
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| Quote: ChrisH "Not sure about that , wasn't it Pearson that brought Nick Barmby in at City?'"
Was thinking that myself, Barmby was a local lad, passion for the club etc and ultimately out his depth.
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