I hope we do but It's gonna cost me nearly 2 grand for early flights home from my holiday if we do

That's what I thought when I booked

Convenient that knockout rugby is not down to the coach, when our knockout record during Agar's tenure is especially abysmal.

Its common knowledge that we are unable to perform against the better sides during our current coachs tenure, however I wondered what his record is against the less successful sides and based on the period 25th May 2008 to the present excluding cup games (which isn't pretty reading in itself), we have the following overall win ratios against SL sides;

Bradford 63%
Castleford 63%
Catalans 50%
Crusaders 75%
Harlequins 83%
Huddersfield 29%
Hull KR 40%
Leeds 0%
Salford 83%
St Helens 36%
Wakefield 42%
Warrington 17%
Wigan 17%
(Based on both home and away results)

So out of 13 opposition clubs we have a 50% or better win ratio against just 6 clubs, which I guess tells us what we already know; that we are a lower order club that will occasionally make the playoffs. What is surprising, is that we have such a low win ratio against those giants of superleague - Huddersfield (29%), and that with a 42% win ratio against Wakefield, it was probably a poor decision to release John Kear , although the problem is probably more one of not replacing him with competant coach's subsequently.

I've never entered into the coach bashing on here although I've been known to be quite vocal at games and elsewhere, but I've had enough. I will not be renewing our passes for next season and will pick and choose which games we go to, although nowadays it's usually just me going anyway.

I reckon Wigan will be our coaches 100th game in charge for this spell (I know that there were 4 games previously as caretaker, but I haven't counted them - 3 wins out of 4 ), if we lose that, then his win ratio will fall below 40%, which is way less than is acceptable. FWIW I don't go with the idea that we are a big club, we have the potential yes, but big clubs build a reputation from onfield success, we haven't been able to do that, and nothing indicates to me that we will do so in the near future.

I had a season pass for nine years, I wouldn't class myself as a fan; just enjoyed watching some league after moving here, and staying, for Uni. Stopped buying one after the dross served up under Agar's regime, I'm not bothered about a trophy winning FC, I'd just like to watch them be capable of mixing it with the big boys whilst providing some entertaining play instead of the tedious stuff of recent seasons.

On a different note; look at the difference in quality in overseas signings for next year between Saints and ourselves. Tells you all you need to know about our board's ambition, everything on the cheap.

Why are Saint's overseas signings better than ours?

So is that why John Kear is touted as a coach that can raise his players for knockout rugby?

Come on admit that you're working for Hull FC and are just one here to inject some Agar positivity. Anyone with even an ounce of RL would know Agar is in so far over his head. I'd put my house on the fact that if we let him go, only a NL1 club would sign him up.

Glad I'm out of the country next year as buying a season ticket to watch his dross week in week out would have sent me to the Humber Bridge!

If its a game of guess who then you are Steveo and I claim my £5

How are there overseas signings better ? Laffranchi ? Good player but if we signed him sure you would say had his best days , not many times do we sign a 27 year old halfback just need a proper coach

Answer to the thread question= NO. I think our chances of finishing 8th are looking dodgy (bottom half of the league!!) so our chances of winning a grand final is virtually nil, think our chances of getting to CC cup final are pretty slim as well but if we did it would be just like 2008 all over again. i like to think of myself as an glass half full sort of guy but surely its last orders and time at the bar now, surely its time for change now!!.

As a matter of interest, how cheap is Agar?