We still talking about Agar?

It is Agars team. No excuses.

I dont get you - We dont want to watch them train most of us are at work when that is happening anyway - While I appreciate what you are saying about Richard and your loyalty to him James its what we pay for that is the problem. I will say again I have never met him but listening to him at Forums.Radio etc I really like him but that is not enough.

Probably watches them train through his high powered telescope from his attic bedsit in Coltman Street.

I was saying this to my mate the other day. agar is one of the 3 worst coaches I've seen at the club, with walsh and casey the other 2. Those 2 at least had the excuse that the club were skint and up shiit creek without a paddle. agar has no excuse but his own ineptitude.

Was thinking about Tony the Tank Gordon yesterday. He got binned for 0 from 9 IIRC. The Russ Walker/Phil Windley combo as well. We went through a couple of coaches a season in the good old days.

For me it's quite simple, the board have huge faith in him and have given him their full backing when it has come to getting rid of player, recruiting and even spending money on fees.

I think last season was a big season for him and the fact he finished in the top 6 (almost top 4) and had to contend with injuries to the halves probably impressed them.

I think they know that they have time on their side, they can give him half a season and still make the decision to get rid and recruit another coach plus there is the money issue and also the fact that they are maybe trying to save face as he has been their man and they won't want to be wrong. Plus he is a good guy and the maybe want to give him every chance to suceed.

I think there will be a tipping point but it will take a few more defeats or maybe us slipping into the bottom 2.

Agree with some of that, but:
1) The number of injuries we had last year were nothing out of the ordinary IMO. The HB thing was maybe a factor, but no more or less than for Saints who made the GF and had Soliola out all year as well.
2) Time is not really on their side. If we lose the next half dozen games to take us to halfway through the season, then we won't make the play-offs (again) and the last bits of goodwill remaining amongst the fans will be eroded. The club has worked really hard to achieve such success in terms of fan numbers and commercial stability. The fans have stuck with the club through 3 seasons of promise and non-delivery. Rule has said many, many times "It's a results-based business", yet there appear to be zero consequences for the complete lack of results.

We're only 6 matches into this season! Why should we write it off? Agree we should appoint the right man for next season, undoubtedly, but we need someone to see this one out either as Agar's replacement or overseer of rugby.

If they do nothing to save this season there'll be no one on the terraces to see the wondercoach next!

But by then recruitment and retention/releases may all have been done, so we start the circle again

Wonder if Webster would be given 3 years to build his own team

Fair enough, although 6 games in and still in the cup is a bit early for me. The other negative about waiting is 2012 recruitment, which FC usually start early. We've got a lot of OOC players. At present the proposition for the likes of O'Meley and, say, Cronk (I know ), is a team in Hull (a difficult sell v West Riding or Lancashire, it seems), for all intents and purposes bottom of the table and without a play-off win since 2007. Even if we let Agar see out this season, we need to announce a decent successor to have any hope of strengthening before next year. I am a bit sick of this recurring "jam tomorrow" scenario.