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Quote: The Key "Those who say its not bad or that bad because its been worse in the past, and there are clubs in a worse position than us are a joke.
First off, in the past have we had a top class ground, with regular 5 figure crowds, with one of the best community projects in UK sport, tons coming in through merch etc etc? Also, does it have to be the worst in our history for it to be a problem?
Secondly, why does it matter if other clubs have it worse? I couldnt care less who is better or worse, what matters to me is the club I support and at the moment its awful.
We have a board who make mistakes every season it seems, distances themselves from the fans (even slag them off I have heard in the past) and who accept mediocrity. We have a totally inept coaching staff. What type of coaching staff manages to prepare a team that gets knackered after one half, despite not having a game for 2 weeks prior? Its was 3 weeks since a game of high intensity. Our line was awful against Wire. I couldnt believe how flat it was. In defence, the line was lazy and slow which led to three tries on the overlap.
Then we have a set of players where alot of them are either crap, inconsistant or cba. We have few players who try their hearts out. A few of them are backs who barely get service, and in the forwards the liks of Lee and Burnett are young and arent superb players (although good and developing).
Then we have a youth system that year on year signs up talent from the Hull area and in the past couple of years, from beyond. They then get to reserve level and break into the first team and they become average SL players. Name me a top player that we have produced since Hornes debut 10 years ago? Not including Briscoe who hasnt had enough time to prove it yet, the only full level international (not including the crappy England A sides of the past) we have produced is Yeaman iirc. Thats shocking imo.

Boycotts are a waste of time unless, in our case, there were about 6k or 7k home fans at leats not turning up, with the majority making a protest outside the ground while the game is going on. Thats never going to happen. Theres all this talk about protests yet theres been ample opportunity to do this in the stands. Leeds is a perfect chance

coulden't agree more, and I'm getting to a point where I don't want to attend our miserable (both on the field and in the stands) home games anymore

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Quote: The Key "Those who say its not bad or that bad because its been worse in the past, and there are clubs in a worse position than us are a joke.
First off, in the past have we had a top class ground, with regular 5 figure crowds, with one of the best community projects in UK sport, tons coming in through merch etc etc? Also, does it have to be the worst in our history for it to be a problem?
Secondly, why does it matter if other clubs have it worse? I couldnt care less who is better or worse, what matters to me is the club I support and at the moment its awful.
We have a board who make mistakes every season it seems, distances themselves from the fans (even slag them off I have heard in the past) and who accept mediocrity. We have a totally inept coaching staff. What type of coaching staff manages to prepare a team that gets knackered after one half, despite not having a game for 2 weeks prior? Its was 3 weeks since a game of high intensity. Our line was awful against Wire. I couldnt believe how flat it was. In defence, the line was lazy and slow which led to three tries on the overlap.
Then we have a set of players where alot of them are either crap, inconsistant or cba. We have few players who try their hearts out. A few of them are backs who barely get service, and in the forwards the liks of Lee and Burnett are young and arent superb players (although good and developing).
Then we have a youth system that year on year signs up talent from the Hull area and in the past couple of years, from beyond. They then get to reserve level and break into the first team and they become average SL players. Name me a top player that we have produced since Hornes debut 10 years ago? Not including Briscoe who hasnt had enough time to prove it yet, the only full level international (not including the crappy England A sides of the past) we have produced is Yeaman iirc. Thats shocking imo.

Boycotts are a waste of time unless, in our case, there were about 6k or 7k home fans at leats not turning up, with the majority making a protest outside the ground while the game is going on. Thats never going to happen. Theres all this talk about protests yet theres been ample opportunity to do this in the stands. Leeds is a perfect chance

Nonsense pathetic, all because of the last paragraph.

Are you really that fickle? or should it read "when City go down i'll be back in the queue on sat morning on ferensway for the bus to Liverpool, Man Utd etc"

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Quote: The Key "Those who say its not bad or that bad because its been worse in the past, and there are clubs in a worse position than us are a joke.
First off, in the past have we had a top class ground, with regular 5 figure crowds, with one of the best community projects in UK sport, tons coming in through merch etc etc? Also, does it have to be the worst in our history for it to be a problem?
Secondly, why does it matter if other clubs have it worse? I couldnt care less who is better or worse, what matters to me is the club I support and at the moment its awful.
We have a board who make mistakes every season it seems, distances themselves from the fans (even slag them off I have heard in the past) and who accept mediocrity. We have a totally inept coaching staff. What type of coaching staff manages to prepare a team that gets knackered after one half, despite not having a game for 2 weeks prior? Its was 3 weeks since a game of high intensity. Our line was awful against Wire. I couldnt believe how flat it was. In defence, the line was lazy and slow which led to three tries on the overlap.
Then we have a set of players where alot of them are either crap, inconsistant or cba. We have few players who try their hearts out. A few of them are backs who barely get service, and in the forwards the liks of Lee and Burnett are young and arent superb players (although good and developing).
Then we have a youth system that year on year signs up talent from the Hull area and in the past couple of years, from beyond. They then get to reserve level and break into the first team and they become average SL players. Name me a top player that we have produced since Hornes debut 10 years ago? Not including Briscoe who hasnt had enough time to prove it yet, the only full level international (not including the crappy England A sides of the past) we have produced is Yeaman iirc. Thats shocking imo.

Boycotts are a waste of time unless, in our case, there were about 6k or 7k home fans at leats not turning up, with the majority making a protest outside the ground while the game is going on. Thats never going to happen. Theres all this talk about protests yet theres been ample opportunity to do this in the stands. Leeds is a perfect chanceOnce they get promoted (and they dont put the prices up much higher) it will be bye bye to Hull FC for me'"


I see your true colours shining through. Fickle to say the least. icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: The Key "Those who say its not bad or that bad because its been worse in the past, and there are clubs in a worse position than us are a joke.
First off, in the past have we had a top class ground, with regular 5 figure crowds, with one of the best community projects in UK sport, tons coming in through merch etc etc? Also, does it have to be the worst in our history for it to be a problem?
Secondly, why does it matter if other clubs have it worse? I couldnt care less who is better or worse, what matters to me is the club I support and at the moment its awful.
We have a board who make mistakes every season it seems, distances themselves from the fans (even slag them off I have heard in the past) and who accept mediocrity. We have a totally inept coaching staff. What type of coaching staff manages to prepare a team that gets knackered after one half, despite not having a game for 2 weeks prior? Its was 3 weeks since a game of high intensity. Our line was awful against Wire. I couldnt believe how flat it was. In defence, the line was lazy and slow which led to three tries on the overlap.
Then we have a set of players where alot of them are either crap, inconsistant or cba. We have few players who try their hearts out. A few of them are backs who barely get service, and in the forwards the liks of Lee and Burnett are young and arent superb players (although good and developing).
Then we have a youth system that year on year signs up talent from the Hull area and in the past couple of years, from beyond. They then get to reserve level and break into the first team and they become average SL players. Name me a top player that we have produced since Hornes debut 10 years ago? Not including Briscoe who hasnt had enough time to prove it yet, the only full level international (not including the crappy England A sides of the past) we have produced is Yeaman iirc. Thats shocking imo.

Boycotts are a waste of time unless, in our case, there were about 6k or 7k home fans at leats not turning up, with the majority making a protest outside the ground while the game is going on. Thats never going to happen. Theres all this talk about protests yet theres been ample opportunity to do this in the stands. Leeds is a perfect chanceLeeds United charge for L1 football. Once they get promoted (and they dont put the prices up much higher) it will be bye bye to Hull FC for me'"


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As a Leeds United supporter, that bit surprised me too icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Key "
Personally I've got to a point where I dont care much about rugby anymore, so not someone who wants to start this sort of things. Theres only two reasons I go

The very definition of a bandwagon supporter.

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Quote: Irregs #12 "All sat in the stand

HTH

FWIW if we had the team below, week in week out we would be top 2

Tony
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
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Tickle
Manu
Washbrook

Lee
Thacks
King
Luaki

But we havnt been able to field anything like it, so to be still in the playoffs i think is not too bad. Wait and see what we do with these players back.'"


If you think that team is a top two team, you're more than deluded !!!! icon_eek.gif

OMFG !!!! icon_eek.gif

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Quote: Irregs #12 "All sat in the stand

HTH

FWIW if we had the team below, week in week out we would be top 2

Tony
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
Cusack
Tickle
Manu
Washbrook

Lee
Thacks
King
Luaki

But we havnt been able to field anything like it, so to be still in the playoffs i think is not too bad. Wait and see what we do with these players back.'"


We'd be nowhere near the top 2 because the players would still be coached by the conservative (at best) sharp and agar. We'd still be soft in defence, unable to slow down the opposition PTB, unable to get a fast PTB ourselves, still playing a one man out forward orientated game (despite on of the smallest packs in SL), still have no kicking game, still have no direction and leadership on the field, still have forwards who jog in instead of charging in, still have no offloads, still have no players backing up the man with the ball, still be clueless in the opposition 20, still have no dummy runners etc etc

The list of our failings on the field is massive and it's to do with coaching and/or execution of the game plan. Yes, if teh players mentioned had been available we'd have won some of those tight matches but that wouldn't make us a good side. How many times have we scored 40+ points in a SL game in the last 3 years? How many times have saints, wigan, leeds, wire? The failings at the club are down to mediocre coaching and poor recruitment and retention. We need a top class coach who can come in and get rid of the average players, replace them with better players and get them playing to their potential

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Loving the fact people are calling me a bandwagon supporter. The fact I went to City all the time when they were one of the worst professional teams in the country because I was way too young to go to Leeds by myself but loved football says something. Along with the fact I have seen many more Leeds United games since they have left the Premiership than when they were in it (surely I would have stopped liking them when I got relegated if I was a bandwagoner?), in fact I have been every season. The fact that I refuse to pay on average 25 quid a game for third tier football makes me a bandwagoner?
The fact I would stop going to rugby because barely anyone on the pitch seems to care anymore, and the club arent doing anything about it makes me a bandwagoner?
I would follow FC through thick and thin as long as the players gave as much effort as they could. I would support them if they were the worst team in the league, the worst team in the country even, if I felt the club were doing all they could to improve the squad.
Yeah, total bandwagoner me icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Key "Loving the fact people are calling me a bandwagon supporter. The fact I went to City all the time when they were one of the worst professional teams in the country because I was way too young to go to Leeds by myself but loved football says something. Along with the fact I have seen many more Leeds United games since they have left the Premiership than when they were in it (surely I would have stopped liking them when I got relegated if I was a bandwagoner?), in fact I have been every season. The fact that I refuse to pay on average 25 quid a game for third tier football makes me a bandwagoner?
The fact I would stop going to rugby because barely anyone on the pitch seems to care anymore, and the club arent doing anything about it makes me a bandwagoner?
I would follow FC through thick and thin as long as the players gave as much effort as they could. I would support them if they were the worst team in the league, the worst team in the country even, if I felt the club were doing all they could to improve the squad.
Yeah, total bandwagoner me Bandwaggoner maybe not, fickle definitely.

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Quote: TKOAH "Bandwaggoner maybe not, fickle definitely.'"


Go on then, tell me what makes me fickle, I could do with a laugh icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Key "Go on then, tell me what makes me fickle, I could do with a laugh Would you "boycott" FC next season if we get to Old Trafford?

Nah, thought not. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: TKOAH "Would you "boycott" FC next season if we get to Old Trafford?

Nah, thought not.
1) When did I say I would "boycott" anything

2) To get to Old Trafford you would actually need a team that trys. But if I stopped going to rugby I seriously doubt I would start going again

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Quote: The Key "But if I stopped going to rugby I seriously doubt I would start going again'"

Would you spend your spare time looking at your avatar instead? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: The Key "1) When did I say I would "boycott" anything

2) To get to Old Trafford you would actually need a team that trys. But if I stopped going to rugby I seriously doubt I would start going again'"

They do try, the problem is they are being forced to play in a way that they can't do too well.

And so this wouldn't be a temporary "boycott" it would be a stop going altogether? Forever?

Well until they get good again. icon_lol.gif

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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 18 493 212 281 30
Warrington 18 460 241 219 26
Hull KR 17 421 227 194 24
St.Helens 18 451 210 241 22
Catalans 17 324 234 90 22
Salford 17 317 328 -11 22
 
Leeds 18 321 336 -15 18
Huddersfield 18 330 393 -63 14
Leigh 17 296 294 2 13
Castleford 18 304 473 -169 13
Hull FC 18 252 542 -290 6
LondonB 18 182 685 -503 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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