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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Its not a contradiction at all. Shaul already runs from DH quite often and its one of the stronger parts of his game. I am saying we wouldnt lose this if he went on to wing.

There is alot more to being a good hooker than just running from dummy half.'"


Took the words out of my mouth. My only concern about Shaul on the wing is his kick returns, the role has changed in the modern day, you need to have big bodies/strong ball carriers on the wing now.

If we played an offload game through the middle Shaul could be very effective, however as a pivot he isn't. His game is very much in the Wade McKinnon mould IMO. His best asset is his support play, which we don't utilise

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Quote: Baxendale "Took the words out of my mouth. My only concern about Shaul on the wing is his kick returns, the role has changed in the modern day, you need to have big bodies/strong ball carriers on the wing now.

If we played an offload game through the middle Shaul could be very effective, however as a pivot he isn't. His game is very much in the Wade McKinnon mould IMO. His best asset is his support play, which we don't utilise'"


5 to 10 years ago I would have agreed, but there actually seems to have been a move away from that and smaller quicker wingers are again having success. Grace, Marshall, Johnstone, Eden. None of them are much bigger or stronger than Shaul is. Its all about playing to your strengths.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "5 to 10 years ago I would have agreed, but there actually seems to have been a move away from that and smaller quicker wingers are again having success. Grace, Marshall, Johnstone, Eden. None of them are much bigger or stronger than Shaul is. Its all about playing to your strengths.'"

Problem is radford only knows and wants to play one way . It's boring , doesn't bring out the best in players abilities and is predictable. Don't get me wrong , when he as managed to motivate and has us playing at an high intensity for 80 mins , we are a very hard team to beat. But it doesn't happen often enough and now he's lost the dressing room, can see it happening even less

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "5 to 10 years ago I would have agreed, but there actually seems to have been a move away from that and smaller quicker wingers are again having success. Grace, Marshall, Johnstone, Eden. None of them are much bigger or stronger than Shaul is. Its all about playing to your strengths.'"


I agree there but all the wings you have mentioned have very good that create space for them.
Apart from Tuimavave and to a certain extent when Connor plays centre we dont

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Quote: bonaire "I agree there but all the wings you have mentioned have very good centres that create space for them.
Apart from Tuimavave and to a certain extent when Connor plays centre we dont'"


Thats true, although I would say its not just the centres, its the style that the team plays with. Any centre at this level can make a simple pass to put his winger in if the work to create a 2 on 1 has already been done in-field. Having Kelly, Sneyd and Connor all playing in creative roles has to help, but ultimately our attacking shape needs a lot of work. There is too much running sideways with the ball and not enough movement off the ball, and we have been like that pretty much since Peter Sharp left.

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Our attacking structures are virtually non existent. We desperately need some fresh attacking ideas at the club and need to bring in an attacking coach who has no previous with the club and who will bring new ideas

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Our attacking structures are virtually non existent. We desperately need some fresh attacking ideas at the club and need to bring in an attacking coach who has no previous with the club and who will bring new ideas'"


As I mentioned a couple of posts ago, the two big things are straight lines and movement. The key to an attacking move is making it so the opposition don't know whether you are going to run or pass. If they know you are just going to pass pass pass all the way to the winger its easy to defend. You just keep sliding. We telegraph what we are doing because no one ever seems to try to straighten up the play. The whole team just drift from one side of the field to the other. No one ever catches it, runs straight to hold a defender up, and gives it out the back. We also never have anyone offering a threat back on the inside. Its just passing for the sake of passing, and then the winger has to cut back inside because we fooled no one and now he has nowhere to go. We run ourselves out of space time after time.

Its testament to guys like Connor and Kelly that they can actually make things happen with so little to work with. Put Connor in that Cas team with the options they would give him and he would be unplayable.

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100% move Connor to FB

The team has changed since 2016 and it’s a shame we wouldn’t get to see Shaul scoring from 90m but I reckon we’d see a lot more tries from Connors assists.

We desperately need an extra pivot outside of 6&7 and Connor would be great

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "As I mentioned a couple of posts ago, the two big things are straight lines and movement. The key to an attacking move is making it so the opposition don't know whether you are going to run or pass. If they know you are just going to pass pass pass all the way to the winger its easy to defend. You just keep sliding. We telegraph what we are doing because no one ever seems to try to straighten up the play. The whole team just drift from one side of the field to the other. No one ever catches it, runs straight to hold a defender up, and gives it out the back. We also never have anyone offering a threat back on the inside. Its just passing for the sake of passing, and then the winger has to cut back inside because we fooled no one and now he has nowhere to go. We run ourselves out of space time after time.

Its testament to guys like Connor and Kelly that they can actually make things happen with so little to work with. Put Connor in that Cas team with the options they would give him and he would be unplayable.'"


Maybe we should sign Wilkin icon_biggrin.gif

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connor at 13!!!

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Quote: fc23 "connor at 13!!!'"


Not a bad shout. He has a frame that could probably take a bit more muscle without slowing him down or affecting his skill set. I would prefer Westerman as a wide running 2nd row

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Connor to FB

Talanoa
Paea
Abdul, Downs, Turgut out

Jones, gelling and ikahihifo in

Would get us back challenging IMO

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Quote: Dave K. "Connor to FB

Talanoa
Paea
Abdul, Downs, Turgut out

Jones, gelling and ikahihifo in

Would get us back challenging IMO'"


Wow,so you are saying pay off Talanoa and Paea, get a transfer fee for Abdull, and then sign Jones Gelling and Ikahihifo and the balance sheet will be even?

You really are a proper numpty, who knows absolutly nothing about modern Rugby League. For a start Gelling would want what Talanoa and Paea are on collectivly, No one will pay a fee for Abdull, and the other two you named are lucky to get a deal at Doncaster.
Stick to babysitting Dave, as for what you know about rugby, you could write on a wasps testicle with a bingo marker.

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Quote: robinrovers10 "Wow,so you are saying pay off Talanoa and Paea, get a transfer fee for Abdull, and then sign Jones Gelling and Ikahihifo and the balance sheet will be even?

You really are a proper numpty, who knows absolutly nothing about modern Rugby League. For a start Gelling would want what Talanoa and Paea are on collectivly, No one will pay a fee for Abdull, and the other two you named are lucky to get a deal at Doncaster.
Stick to babysitting Dave, as for what you know about rugby, you could write on a wasps testicle with a bingo marker.'"


This is SL talk, you stick to worrying about your pre MPG with Widnes.

You have no idea what players are on, we have paid players off in the past.

How much is Gelling, Talanoa and Paea on?

Your knowledge is summed up with the comment about Downs saying he wouldn't get a game for Doncaster, when he has already signed for Barley, who are in a higher decision, I'd bet Turget also gets a club in the championship.

The wizard (the most laughable name for a coach who has been poor for years) would pay for Abdul is Neil lets him.

Thanks for mentioning my children again, the way you talk about children makes me think you probably not allowed near any unsupervised.

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Quote: robinrovers10 "Wow,so you are saying pay off Talanoa and Paea, get a transfer fee for Abdull, and then sign Jones Gelling and Ikahihifo and the balance sheet will be even?

You really are a proper numpty, who knows absolutly nothing about modern Rugby League. For a start Gelling would want what Talanoa and Paea are on collectivly, No one will pay a fee for Abdull, and the other two you named are lucky to get a deal at Doncaster.
Stick to babysitting Dave, as for what you know about rugby, you could write on a wasps testicle with a bingo marker.'"


Yeah gelling is such a big star he was going to widnes so will obviously be on a huge salary as he now desperately looks for another contract. He's shoite anyway

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