The only incident I'd call stupid was Manu. No idea what he was thinking.

Most of the other stuff has been stupid calls by the ref - last week is a case in point. I'm not seeing us be any worse than last season and yet we're getting pinged more. Wonder why...

I was a fly on the wall at the recent ref's meeting. Under AOB, alarmingly, was
" Let's make sure we get Hull " Motion passed unanimously.

What's worse depending on which forum one visits, the agenda item reads " Let's get Warrington...Wigan...Saints...Leeds..."

IF any of them clubs can give evidence as to a player being harshly treated ala Watts then I'd agree with you but somehow I doubt it.

Even the player he fouled? and his coach felt it wasn't worthy of a ban yet he gets 2 matches.

Amor, who plays for Saints, did something far worse and got sending off sufficient. Wish we had the agenda that applies to Saints!

There definitely is. Sending offs, yellow cards and too many penalties conceded. When we cut this out we look really good. When we don't we get humped by average teams like salford and leeds

Guess your only watching in slow motion replays, yes stupid , deliberate I dont think so . At full speed id say is initial thought was to try turning him over, the pull on his arm lasted a second , then he released. Careless and stupid for me, any more than 2 games would be harsh imo

No there isn't. Defence was the issue in those games. We're not doing anything differently to last season in respect of discipline.

Last year we where 9th for penalties conceded , this year 2nd, it is a problem, alot of Leeds and Salfords pens came on the back of poor penalties.

Looking at this, the anmount of players sin inner, sent off and banned I think discipline is clearly an issue, even on Friday with a good lead we gave away a series of penalties and was put on a team warning, luckily good goal line defence and poor Warrington play stopped them getting back in the game.

On average, less than 2 penalties per game more than the team with the fewest.
Not what I'd call significant, never mind lacking in discipline.

And the red/yellow cards - more down to the referees and their different interpretations of the rules.

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It is, a lot are dumb (including a few with the ball in hand)and also late in the tackle count, at times last season I though we where poor, but much worst this year.

Don't agree about the refs, Watts apart I think all the decisions were correct.

Certainly been dealt harsly by the RL disciplinary though.

Crikey, next you'll be saying every penalty not given to us was correct as well.
Penalties could be given at nearly every tackle/play the ball - it's up to the ref to (randomly) decide whether to award one or not.

That's rubbish, also big difference between sin binning and Pens.

I'll agree at times it seems to be random, but often penalties for both teams are obvious.

Every fan could say that they are hard done to my refs.

2nd highest number of penalties conceded in the comp, 7 yellow cards and 1 red would indicate otherwise. Our poor ball control (which was much better on Friday) and indiscipline have put additional pressure on our defence

Why is it rubbish? Have you never seen us not given a penalty when a few minutes earlier we were penalised for exactly the same offence?

You said penalties could be given nearly every tackle, that's the rubbish bit.

To answer your question yes I have, but all teams could say that, this doesn't excuse our poor discipline this year.

Taking into account offside, not square, not playing the ball correctly, not playing the ball at the mark, delaying the play the ball, plus the tackle process itself, I reckon most times one of those offences will be committed - and the ref decides whether to bother or not.

So, in a sense, you're right, every penalty we've conceded was almost certainly a correct decision.