Evening Tim.

Hence why I said if we cut out the errors. If we had kept the ball we would have been looking at a 30+ win. If we dont tidy up we wont keep getting away with it like we did tonight and against Saints.

And tbh once Houghton went off they werent that much more weakened than we were.

Watts and Turgut back next week - playing reserves tomorrow. Talanoa and Carlos a chance for next week.

Are you kidding

Like for like imagine hull not having these like wigan counterparts to even start the game.

Shaul-tomkins
Fonua-Burgess
Carlos- gildart=even as hulls equivalent out
Tala-manfredi=even again
Houghton-macillorum
Watts-sutton=even again
Sika-Bateman
Mini-Farrell
Ellis-o loughlin

I couldn't imagine getting within 2 points with that personal out

that's why wigan always seems to have good young kids to drop in, fair play to them, but any win at wigan is still good, plus there still had some useful players on the park, 2 points and top not to bad, but we do need to tighten some things up, COYH

Don't know about Tomkins to be quite honest as he shown very little since he came back from the southern hemisphere and seems to be out injured more than on the field so hardly a miss for Wigan in all honesty.

Think losing Houghton made a massive difference defensively to us and showed as the game went on just how much his defensive work helps through the 80.

That a side if we had managed the game better by playing out our sets and kicking to the corner Wigan wouldn't have got anywhere near but we kept inviting them with daft errors and dumb rugby. We were our worst enemy in the 2nd half but got the 2 pts so as long as they learn from tonight then that can only help improve us.

I suspect Danny will be out for several weeks given the way he just left the field after the tackle he made.
You know its serious when that happens.
Lets hope he is a quick healer.

any talk of buying someone in, moving Sneyd, moving Kelly, jesus wept it's just like old days.
this is precisely what furks things up, you play your junior squad member in that role interchanged with washbrook/hadley if need be.
Surely this would be the best time to blood Litten and with everyone else in their positions plus Washy/hadley on the bench it's a natural choice to make.
I don't want Connor there, i don't want Washbrook there (except for possibly interchange), i want the lad that IS a hooker playing hooker.

Agreed. Not sure I rate Connor much on showing so far.

Litten is 19 years old, they is no way he is physically ready to play big minutes in SL in such a key and tough position, id have him on the bench though and see how he goes.

Would not be starting Litten against SL's best hooker in a game Warrington will be desperate to win at home.

If it's a muscular injury, I wonder if the delay to Hull getting to the game had an impact on the pre conditioning and warm up. Not looking for an excuse, just an explanation.

I'm not angry...but the realisation of how hard it's gonna be for any of us to beat wigan to silverware has really hit home. Plus we've taken the out of rovers for '20 nil' for nearly a year and effectively done the same almost, against a team a good 80% short of its max potential
I'd like to hate wigan. But grudgingly I have to admire almost everything about them

Wigan are the benchmark and have been for the last 5 years, we are much closer now that a few years ago though, the difference is, that we get 5 or so injuries including a key one after 5 or so minutes we can't cope as well as with 7/8 players out, they are at a different level to use with their juniors and squad players.

Not sure it is 80%, as 9 of those who played for Wigan would be in the 17 and then you add in the very experienced Escare and Isa, their side doesn't look too bad.