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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "I was unable to attend the St's game in Friday, but did watch it on TV later. Shaul did ok, but after this below par performance at Huddersfield (which I was at) I'd have been looking for a bit more.

The squad needs to be used and as I mentioned, I'd like to see Conner in a game which was relatively low risk. FWIW, irrespective of how Conner shows (if he was selected at FB for the Widens game), I'd have Shaul back in for the Wigan match the following week. And all week I'd be in his ear telling him that his try there last year was a fluke and he should show us it wasnt a one off

Still dont get this love in with Connor.In the game time he has had,and i agree its been limited to only one full game i have seen nothing but average.That said giving him a game at Full back against Widnes is not a bad idea given the recent form of Jamie Shaul but i agree Shaul should be back against Wigan.
Why anyone would suggest playing Connor on the wing or moving Griffin and playing Connor at centre ceases to amaze me when we have Steve Michaels available.

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Quote: bonaire "Still dont get this love in with Connor.In the game time he has had,and i agree its been limited to only one full game i have seen nothing but average.That said giving him a game at Full back against Widnes is not a bad idea given the recent form of Jamie Shaul but i agree Shaul should be back against Wigan.
Why anyone would suggest playing Connor on the wing or moving Griffin and playing Connor at centre ceases to amaze me when we have Steve Michaels available.'"


Not sure what you don't see in connor myself
Ignore so far with us. Catalans was dire as was whole team so you're halves are always ruined then. Not enough mins in other games
What connor has is a beautiful passing game. A kicking game. A bit of go about him in D. Strong. And an eye for the line and can assist tries too. Did plenty of both last yr from no set position and a poor team. Can kick 40.20s as well as had a couple
All the above he is better than Shaul. But Shaul is an x factor player with pace and the unexpected in him. Only prob is...Shaul ain't shown that for a long time now
Michaels to wing as you say is obviously

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Quote: airliebird,runninglate! "Not sure what you don't see in connor myself
Ignore so far with us. Catalans was dire as was whole team so you're halves are always ruined then. Not enough mins in other games
What connor has is a beautiful passing game. A kicking game. A bit of go about him in D. Strong. And an eye for the line and can assist tries too. Did plenty of both last yr from no set position and a poor team. Can kick 40.20s as well as had a couple
All the above he is better than Shaul. But Shaul is an x factor player with pace and the unexpected in him. Only prob is...Shaul ain't shown that for a long time now
Michaels to wing as you say is obviously'"



I dont see any ex factor for both fans and the coach to want to include him at the moment.
Jordan Abdull has the same attributes as you have pointed out and he is out on loan.
I agree his game time has been limited but when you are on the field you have to take your chance with a performance and he hasnt done that so far.
As i said previously i wouldnt be adverse to see Connor at full back for the Widnes game with Shaul returning at Wigan.
The four forward bench worked well for us last season and i dont see the point changing it and trying to find a place for Connor on the bench when its not necessary.
He is a utility player in my opinion and nothing else.

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Was going to say Shaul hasn't done anything explicitly wrong but watching the highlights from Saints, for their first try where was he? Looked way, way out of position.

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Shaul's lacking in confidence and comes across as a player who needs an arm around him rather than a jolt/kick up the back side. 2016 was the only season he's had no competition for his place, and it turned out to be his best. He seems like the kind of player that needs to be comfortable to perform. He does have glaring deficiencies in his game at the moment.
Hopefully he'll get 2 or 3 Friday and get that confidence back.

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Id play shaul against widnes, think he knows hes under pressure, could be a good confidence boosting game for him, need to see much more support play from him, seems to have deserted him. Dont think it would be a risk at all bringing connor in at fb against wigan if shaul doesnt have a good game friday

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Quote: bonaire "I dont see any ex factor for both fans and the coach to want to include him at the moment.
Jordan Abdull has the same attributes as you have pointed out and he is out on loan.
I agree his game time has been limited but when you are on the field you have to take your chance with a performance and he hasnt done that so far.
As i said previously i wouldnt be adverse to see Connor at full back for the Widnes game with Shaul returning at Wigan.
The four forward bench worked well for us last season and i dont see the point changing it and trying to find a place for Connor on the bench when its not necessary.
He is a utility player in my opinion and nothing else.'"


I would agree we haven't seen much yet from Conner, but lets give this lad a chance.

If you want X Factor, check out the game he had against us last season at Hudds. The lad has got it, just needs game time to show it.

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Connor had a blinder at FB against us at their place last year

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Quote: jimmyfivebellies "Connor had a blinder at FB against us at their place last year'"



in one of our worst peformances last season, baring widnes away

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "I would agree we haven't seen much yet from Conner, but lets give this lad a chance.

If you want X Factor, check out the game he had against us last season at Hudds. The lad has got it, just needs game time to show it.'"


I think thats part of the problem.People seem to rate him on one game against us they have seen.Apart from that in limited game time in Hull Fc colours he has done nothing to suggest he is anything more than a utility player..
He had chance at his preferred position 6 against Catalan and was poor.He played for the under 23s a couple of days ago at 6 where he should have been
the star man yet nothing mentioned.
I am happy to give the player a chance but i just dont see him holding down a regular place in our team.
Sometimes having a back on the bench for the odd game can be useful but four forwards on the bench has served us well in the past so we dont need to be finding a place on the bench for Connor to appease the player at the expense of team performance.
I agree Jamie Shaul is having a poor run of form at the moment and may be a good time to try Connor at full back against what looks like an average Widnes side so lets see what the coach comes up with.

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Quote: bonaire "I think thats part of the problem.People seem to rate him on one game against us they have seen.Apart from that in limited game time in Hull Fc colours he has done nothing to suggest he is anything more than a utility player..
He had chance at his preferred position 6 against Catalan and was poor.He played for the under 23s a couple of days ago at 6 where he should have been
the star man yet nothing mentioned.
I am happy to give the player a chance but i just dont see him holding down a regular place in our team.
Sometimes having a back on the bench for the odd game can be useful but four forwards on the bench has served us well in the past so we dont need to be finding a place on the bench for Connor to appease the player at the expense of team performance.
I agree Jamie Shaul is having a poor run of form at the moment and may be a good time to try Connor at full back against what looks like an average Widnes side so lets see what the coach comes up with.'"


I think people have a bit more intelligence than to judge him totally on one performance against us last season. The same way it is wrong to judge him on one performance for us so far this season when most of the team were poor. Using that logic plenty of players would be dropped.

He had shown, albeit on TV for Huddersfield, certain skills which Shaul doesn't currently possess and skills which would make us a greater attacking threat.

With Shaul being below the level of performance expected it would be a good time for a change to see if we can make use of these.

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didnt connor play in the halves in that game?

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Quote: number 6 "didnt connor play in the halves in that game?'"


Thought he was on the wing!

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He was at Full Back for that game.

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